Please add STR to Fending accessories

[Alexika]

Tanks are there to tank. I don't see the need for strength other than to power your way through content quickly which isn't really necessary if you have good DPS.

I put out 700+ DPS while tanking and my healers have zero issues. It's good to clear content reliably and with ease.

[Zfz]

I put out 700+ DPS while tanking and my healers have zero issues. It's good to clear content reliably and with ease.

Just curious. What's your dps while tanking in full VIT?

[Alexika]

Just curious. What's your dps while tanking in full VIT?

I can do in the low 500s with a lot of stance dancing.

[Zfz]

I can do in the low 500s with a lot of stance dancing.

So with about 150~200 extra STR, you can increase your dps by close to 50%. Now I wonder if that applies to PLDs. If the PLD doesn't see much of an increase, or if the increase is too low (since PLDs start with lower dps), perhaps it's time to start talking about WAR gearing and PLD gearing instead of "tank gearing".

I'll take a tank that stays alive and does damage over a tank that stays alive and doesn't do damage anyday. It's hilarious how people seriously place no value in how much damage a tank does.

So you will always prefer 2 WARs and never want any PLDs in your raid?

[Alexika]

So with about 150~200 extra STR, you can increase your dps by close to 50%. Now I wonder if that applies to PLDs. If the PLD doesn't see much of an increase, or if the increase is too low (since PLDs start with lower dps), perhaps it's time to start talking about WAR gearing and PLD gearing instead of "tank gearing".



So you will always prefer 2 WARs and never want any PLDs in your raid?

I have Paladin friends who easily do the same DPS as WAR and DRK.

[Destomius]

So with about 150~200 extra STR, you can increase your dps by close to 50%. Now I wonder if that applies to PLDs. If the PLD doesn't see much of an increase, or if the increase is too low (since PLDs start with lower dps), perhaps it's time to start talking about WAR gearing and PLD gearing instead of "tank gearing".



So you will always prefer 2 WARs and never want any PLDs in your raid?

If the WAR is applying Storm's Eye, a PLD MT will do just about as much DPS as a WAR MT.

Also the LB will charge slower with 2 WAR.

[Zfz]

I have Paladin friends who easily do the same DPS as WAR and DRK.

Without the WAR debuffs? When they're tanking different bosses? Or to be more specific, is you PLD friend easily doing 700+ dps?

If the WAR is applying Storm's Eye, a PLD MT will do just about as much DPS as a WAR MT.

Also the LB will charge slower with 2 WAR.

So in say fights like A1N, Ex.Bismarck where they are tanking different targets, you would still take a PLD for the sake of faster LB charge? Or would you give up the LB charge and just get the raw dps from 2 WARs?

I'm just trying to make sense of your general statement that you prefer a tank that has the dps. Is it supposed to mean "PLD with damage over PLD without damage", and "WAR with damage over WAR without damage", or is it supposed to mean the tanking job that does the highest damage in any given patch?

Because we all know, as Yoshi-P acknowledge officially in the Live Letter, that PLD is tuned to have lower dps. So if a PLD is doing the same as a WAR, maybe that WAR isn't performing at his full potential?

2.) But wait, doesn't the tank with more health require more healing

Just to point out:

The incoming damage is the same, yet due to higher maximum HP, what would have ended up as overheals now are turned into useful HP, so over the course of the fight, the healer actually needs to heal less.

[Destomius]

Without the WAR debuffs? When they're tanking different bosses? Or to be more specific, is you PLD friend easily doing 700+ dps?



So in say fights like A1N, Ex.Bismarck where they are tanking different targets, you would still take a PLD for the sake of faster LB charge? Or would you give up the LB charge and just get the raw dps from 2 WARs?

I'm just trying to make sense of your general statement that you prefer a tank that has the dps. Is it supposed to mean "PLD with damage over PLD without damage", and "WAR with damage over WAR without damage", or is it supposed to mean the tanking job that does the highest damage in any given patch?

Because we all know, as Yoshi-P acknowledge officially in the Live Letter, that PLD is tuned to have lower dps. So if a PLD is doing the same as a WAR, maybe that WAR isn't performing at his full potential?

I never said I'd always take two WARs. I simply gave you a scenario where taking two WARs is a bad idea.

Choice of accessories and stat allocation is a significantly bigger stat difference than choice of job. It's easier to have someone in your static simply swap accessories as needed, than to have them gear up both tanks or have two different tanks in a progression static that we swap out depending on the fight. (considering the esoterics set will likely be the AF2, meaning PLD /WAR/DRK sets are separate)

[Alexika]

Without the WAR debuffs? When they're tanking different bosses? Or to be more specific, is you PLD friend easily doing 700+ dps?

Tanking different bosses? My Paladin friend and me both go into Ravana, he MTs in Sword Oath and I am in Deliverance, we pull pretty close DPS, my burst is higher but his over time evens it out.