Please add STR to Fending accessories

[Alexika]

Just curious. What's your dps while tanking in full VIT?

I can do in the low 500s with a lot of stance dancing.

[Kogasan]

Tanks are there to tank. I don't see the need for strength other than to power your way through content quickly which isn't really necessary if you have good DPS.

I agree with you 100%. I don't understand why people need str as a tank. Except for them wanting to dps. Tanks are there to tank. If they want to dps they need to rethink their role and play a dps not a tank.

[Verdan]

Damage is a part of threat.

Also, putting STR on Fending accessories either means that they'll have to take other things out of the item budget,which would involve splitting jewelry to get the stats you want anyway, or give it to you for free for no reason. It's more interesting from a character design perspective to mix and match the stats you want, too.

[Destomius]

I'll take a tank that stays alive and does damage over a tank that stays alive and doesn't do damage anyday. It's hilarious how people seriously place no value in how much damage a tank does.

[Zfz]

I can do in the low 500s with a lot of stance dancing.

So with about 150~200 extra STR, you can increase your dps by close to 50%. Now I wonder if that applies to PLDs. If the PLD doesn't see much of an increase, or if the increase is too low (since PLDs start with lower dps), perhaps it's time to start talking about WAR gearing and PLD gearing instead of "tank gearing".

I'll take a tank that stays alive and does damage over a tank that stays alive and doesn't do damage anyday. It's hilarious how people seriously place no value in how much damage a tank does.

So you will always prefer 2 WARs and never want any PLDs in your raid?

[Alexika]

So with about 150~200 extra STR, you can increase your dps by close to 50%. Now I wonder if that applies to PLDs. If the PLD doesn't see much of an increase, or if the increase is too low (since PLDs start with lower dps), perhaps it's time to start talking about WAR gearing and PLD gearing instead of "tank gearing".



So you will always prefer 2 WARs and never want any PLDs in your raid?

I have Paladin friends who easily do the same DPS as WAR and DRK.

[Destomius]

So with about 150~200 extra STR, you can increase your dps by close to 50%. Now I wonder if that applies to PLDs. If the PLD doesn't see much of an increase, or if the increase is too low (since PLDs start with lower dps), perhaps it's time to start talking about WAR gearing and PLD gearing instead of "tank gearing".



So you will always prefer 2 WARs and never want any PLDs in your raid?

If the WAR is applying Storm's Eye, a PLD MT will do just about as much DPS as a WAR MT.

Also the LB will charge slower with 2 WAR.

[SpookyGhost]

I'll take a tank that stays alive and does damage over a tank that stays alive and doesn't do damage anyday. It's hilarious how people seriously place no value in how much damage a tank does.

I can explain. I've been reading all these threads that have been popping up lately, suggesting tanks not wear STR accessories, and it's been an enlightening experience.

1.) Wearing STR means you have less health. If you have more health, you are able to survive more damage. If DPS in your group decide to stand in every AOE while you're taking damage, the healer could completely forget about you if you have more health and go heal this 200DPS MNK that is vastly more important than the tank. Your DPS as a tank is completely unnecessary and by doing more damage, you somehow cause the entire rest of the party to lose their minds and do less DPS.

2.) Having less HP means less healer DPS! Healers, especially in their opener, will only heal you once you've reached a % of HP. Obviously these healers have also forgotten about HoTs and fairy regen, so you basically just take auto attacks until you've reached 5 or so HP, then the healers will finally turn off Cleric and top you up. But wait, doesn't the tank with more health require more healing, thus resulting in lower overall DPS due to the healer and the tank using the same amount of GCDs yet the tank would be doing less damage because he decided against STR accessories? Nahhhhhhh.

3.) Everything you could possibly do as a tank > anything DPS related. Determination? No. Crit? No. Skill Speed? No. Parry? Yes! Parry will decrease your overall damage taken by upwards of 30%! Obviously tanks should take Parry, right? It's a tank stat after all, just like VIT. Stack on as much VIT as you can possibly get. Bonus points? VIT. Accessories? VIT. Potion? VIT. Food? VIT and Parry of course! STR has no place in a spot where you could have more VIT. VIT, after all, is all that matters for tanks. The less it seems like my health moves, the more comfortable my healers will be, and the more we can wipe to enrage.

[Zfz]

I have Paladin friends who easily do the same DPS as WAR and DRK.

Without the WAR debuffs? When they're tanking different bosses? Or to be more specific, is you PLD friend easily doing 700+ dps?

If the WAR is applying Storm's Eye, a PLD MT will do just about as much DPS as a WAR MT.

Also the LB will charge slower with 2 WAR.

So in say fights like A1N, Ex.Bismarck where they are tanking different targets, you would still take a PLD for the sake of faster LB charge? Or would you give up the LB charge and just get the raw dps from 2 WARs?

I'm just trying to make sense of your general statement that you prefer a tank that has the dps. Is it supposed to mean "PLD with damage over PLD without damage", and "WAR with damage over WAR without damage", or is it supposed to mean the tanking job that does the highest damage in any given patch?

Because we all know, as Yoshi-P acknowledge officially in the Live Letter, that PLD is tuned to have lower dps. So if a PLD is doing the same as a WAR, maybe that WAR isn't performing at his full potential?

2.) But wait, doesn't the tank with more health require more healing

Just to point out:

The incoming damage is the same, yet due to higher maximum HP, what would have ended up as overheals now are turned into useful HP, so over the course of the fight, the healer actually needs to heal less.

[Destomius]

Without the WAR debuffs? When they're tanking different bosses? Or to be more specific, is you PLD friend easily doing 700+ dps?



So in say fights like A1N, Ex.Bismarck where they are tanking different targets, you would still take a PLD for the sake of faster LB charge? Or would you give up the LB charge and just get the raw dps from 2 WARs?

I'm just trying to make sense of your general statement that you prefer a tank that has the dps. Is it supposed to mean "PLD with damage over PLD without damage", and "WAR with damage over WAR without damage", or is it supposed to mean the tanking job that does the highest damage in any given patch?

Because we all know, as Yoshi-P acknowledge officially in the Live Letter, that PLD is tuned to have lower dps. So if a PLD is doing the same as a WAR, maybe that WAR isn't performing at his full potential?

I never said I'd always take two WARs. I simply gave you a scenario where taking two WARs is a bad idea.

Choice of accessories and stat allocation is a significantly bigger stat difference than choice of job. It's easier to have someone in your static simply swap accessories as needed, than to have them gear up both tanks or have two different tanks in a progression static that we swap out depending on the fight. (considering the esoterics set will likely be the AF2, meaning PLD /WAR/DRK sets are separate)