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    Quote Originally Posted by Greven View Post
    I know Savage is a different thing but the fact that they are making it different from what it was planned before means they get the message that many players disliked Alex normal loot system. In fact they are planning to change Alex normal loot as well.
    How is it different from "what was planned before"? They haven't announced specifics about the loot system before the last live letter. All they said was that we'd have a token system. There was a ton of speculation though. As far as them changing Alex normal loot, I don't think I've seen anything to that effect. Could you please provide a link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    As far as them changing Alex normal loot, I don't think I've seen anything to that effect. Could you please provide a link?
    It's a good idea to bookmark the "Forum Top" page and come in through that page each time, because the Community Rep responses are always listed to the right. Unless you're on mobile, then obviously it's different.

    Or even better, check the Dev Tracker every now and then.

    And here it is. The first listing of Rep response on the "Forum Top" page:

    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...85#post3147685

    Yes. This thread. When the thread listing icon gets a crown, it means a community rep has responded.
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    I couldn't bear to read through 17+ pages of whining about not getting handed loot. If you guys are so casual as to "not have time for a static" but "have plenty of time to play" only when it's convenient for you (since statics require compromise from all its members) then you're too casual for content to be catered to you... but here you all are crying about not getting what you want, when you want it, how you want it, for little to no effort.

    The end game is "get a static" or else you're not doing endgame. Even if you're in a partial static that has to use the PF (we've all been there, or at least most of us) that's still better than the DF (which you can't use anyway if you're doing real end game). Basically, get over yourselves. Demanding a new loot system over the old one, and then immediately bashing it because of "you-problems" is asinine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klamor View Post
    The end game is "get a static" or else you're not doing endgame. Even if you're in a partial static that has to use the PF (we've all been there, or at least most of us) that's still better than the DF (which you can't use anyway if you're doing real end game). Basically, get over yourselves. Demanding a new loot system over the old one, and then immediately bashing it because of "you-problems" is asinine.
    For something like Coil, you're right, but, if you remember, Coil wasn't doable in Duty Finder when the lockout was there, so it was designed for static parties.

    Alexander is designed to be accessible for everyone, so you can't use the "get a static" answer over and over.
    As for other content with lockout and doable in Duty Finder right at the beginning, you had Crystal Tower...where you didn't have to roll against 7 other people, since loots are tied to jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    For something like Coil, you're right, but, if you remember, Coil wasn't doable in Duty Finder when the lockout was there, so it was designed for static parties.

    Alexander is designed to be accessible for everyone, so you can't use the "get a static" answer over and over.
    As for other content with lockout and doable in Duty Finder right at the beginning, you had Crystal Tower...where you didn't have to roll against 7 other people, since loots are tied to jobs.
    That's exactly my point. The current version of Alexander isn't even end game content... it just so happens to be at the level cap when the only other "end game" content are the two extreme primals. That's part of the reason why you can't get an i190 weapon from Alexander. You can't use the DF to jump into real end game content when it's initially released, and still can't all the way up until they echo-nerf it to allow the more casual players to experience the story aspect of the raiding. The sheer fact that Alexander can easily be cleared via the DF is another point that says this content is for those players who can't play in a dedicated and serious static party. This content was made for players just like you (OP).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klamor View Post
    That's exactly my point. The current version of Alexander isn't even end game content...
    Well, if your point is that Alex is not endgame content, why suggest that they keep a loot system catered for endgame content ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Well, if your point is that Alex is not endgame content, why suggest that they keep a loot system catered for endgame content ?
    My point was not to keep a loot system that you say is "catered for endgame content." My point was that the loot system is what it is. The OP, IMO, is too casual for content to be catered to suit their needs (or more accurately, wants). However, the side point is that the story-mode Alexander is not actual end-game content, but is actually catered to suit people like the OP, which is obviously contradictory to the point of OP being too casual to be catered to. It's a purely rhetorical point that does nothing but belay just how much, or really how little, some people actually respect the game for what it is. The sheer fact that players demanded a new loot system, got it, and then turned around and bitched about it mere hours after people are getting all four floors cleared via the Duty Finder simply expresses how little regard they actually have for the developers or any other player other than themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    It's a good idea to bookmark the "Forum Top" page and come in through that page each time, because the Community Rep responses are always listed to the right. Unless you're on mobile, then obviously it's different.

    Or even better, check the Dev Tracker every now and then.

    And here it is. The first listing of Rep response on the "Forum Top" page:

    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...85#post3147685

    Yes. This thread. When the thread listing icon gets a crown, it means a community rep has responded.
    Oh nice. Thanks for the link, would've never found it buried in the thread.

    Thanks for the tip about the crown, too. ^^
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