Bard - they broke my job

[Aikaal]

1239 DPS Bard in A1

Didn't they break the Bard job? That guy just did 1239 DPS.

[Snugglebutt]

Things I would change is remove the 15 second cooldown on WM to make it instant switch between on/off and vice versa. I would remove the practically worthless single target pre-esuna WP and instead replace with a party wide song effect like haste or slight HP regen which would enhance the support role in an appropriate way. Especially in regard to the party wide effect of the song, I mean single target song SE really?...and one that has no purpose in 99.99% of the game? I would also like SE to fix the issue with oGCD's/GCD's and procs plus skills cast times in which they have become overly complex in weaving through rotations and cast times making it too easy to screw up.

I am in favor of making the mechanics of the fights complex but not the making rotations and weaving skills the biggest factor in that complexity personally. The primary reason I will be dropping bard as my main is due to the fact I now have to spend 90-100% of in-combat time staring at 10% of the screen aka my shortcut bars because of what feels like the randomness of procs, so many oGCD and GCD's to juggle and manage, addition of cast timers on some ~yet not all~ skills through a rotation and no stable rotations after the initial opening sequence. It's not fun anymore for me being what feels like forced to play the game staring just at my shortcut bars 24/7 in order to effectively manage it all.

I also wonder if SE are adding too many new skills in general with the addition of new content these days and in future possibly something to be concerned about..I remember when only needed one shorcut bar to manage rotations, then became two, then three and now it's almost four or on some classes more than four full bars to weave the skill rotations and that I think it is getting a bit too complex for the sake of added complexity and not added fun. I felt 2 or 3 was about the right amount then using mechanics of the fight to add complexity not just tacking on an ever increasing number of skills but I foresee that number increasing until everyone has like 10 full shortcut bars in order to weave their rotations for optimal DPS. It's just something that concerns me, even those who enjoy this kind of complexity will have a saturation point at some stage where becomes too complex.

Overall I have found the bard class to be less enjoyable these days due to the new skills and change in play style post 3.0 but not enough to ditch the class completely never to play again since I might from time to time play it but I don't enjoy it as much anymore and might enjoy making a different class my main. I have ninja lvl 43~ish and monk around 54~ish so wouldn't take long to cap those and gear them instead. But I am thinking of switching my focus from DoW/DoM and making all the DoL/DoH classes my primary focus...switching to DoW/DoM only to unlock new content, do story and get objects which DoL/DoH cannot on their own but I feel as though I will need a main DoW/DoM to do that of which just won't be bard main anymore.

Sure some people might like the changes to bard, maybe enjoy it more and good for them but not everyone agrees and people should respect that instead of insulting them with snide comments about their ability to play the class or insulting them because simply asked for changes that would make it more enjoyable for them. To me personally the class has not become unplayable or so bad that I would drop it completely and never touch again but it has changed so much that it no longer 'as enjoyable' as it was pre-3.0. So I will finishing leveling my NIN and MNK to 60, maybe try out MCH and perhaps DRK/SMN and finish leveling my BLM but long term I do not see BRD as being my main much longer.

In the end I pay the same subscription fee as those who do enjoy it more since 3.0, I have played since 1.0 and bard has been my main in this game for a very long time. I am neither bad using at the class or bad at doing content with it but I do enjoy it less now so I would appreciate it if the snide and asinine comments are kept at bay. I have every right to say I do not enjoy it as much any more and every right to try others see if they are more enjoyable enough to become my new main, it is not because I cannot adapt and it is not because I am bad at playing bard. The fact is I just don't enjoy it as much after 3.0 and the new changes haven't resolved that.

These days to be honest I enjoy crafting and gathering more so than DoW/DoM but obviously I still need a capped and geared DoW/DoM to unlock new content so my hands are tied in that regard plus I always want to play through new story at least once so will always need a DoW/DoM main to do such things. As it stands right now I am leaning towards NIN filling that role in future but want to give other jobs a try too. I don't hate bard post-3.0 but I don't enjoy it as much so it is not unreasonable for me to try a different class to find my next main without some people insulting me or making snide comments about my ability to adapt or play it. Even if I was best bard in world (not claiming I am), if no longer is enjoyable it wouldn't make me a bad bard for no longer using it as my main due to SE class/job changes.

[Viar]

Even CS has 5 sec cooldown. Instant toggle would make minuet broken as hell.

[kalasnikov]

Fools seem to fail understand that A1 has 2 TARGETS.

[Wishles]

1239 DPS Bard in A1

Didn't they break the Bard job? That guy just did 1239 DPS.

But still pretty much dependent on DRG for any kind of that dps.

[Snowaeth]

1239 DPS Bard in A1

Didn't they break the Bard job? That guy just did 1239 DPS.

Not dissing his damage or skill.
But that's a 2:40 speed kill in a fight perfectly catered for bard.

Double dot + lots of free misery ends on adds, dummy dps friendly, dragoon in party short enough before main burst of damage even falls off and still outdpsed by his party member.

[Aikaal]

Fools seem to fail understand that A1 has 2 TARGETS.

So you're saying this Dragoon cannot Chaos Thrust 2 targets or Dragonfire Dive? This Monk can't Demolish both targets and Howling Fist? This Summoner can't bane DoTs? These healers can't DoTs both targets? You get where I'm going. Saying there's two targets and the Bard can multidot is a piss poor argument aobut a Bard that was second DPS in a 2 minutes 40 seconds fight.

It personally took me time to get used to the new BLM. I don't see why BRDs can't do the same.

[Sen_Terrechant]

Not dissing his damage or skill.
But that's a 2:40 speed kill in a fight perfectly catered for bard.

Double dot + lots of free misery ends on adds, dummy dps friendly, dragoon in party short enough before main burst of damage even falls off and still outdpsed by his party member.

Every time someone is given a reason that Bards arent this broken mess, its just dismissed offhand. They do really good damage now, espically considering that they are still a support DPS. Like seriously, quit bitching.

[Aikaal]

Every time someone is given a reason that Bards arent this broken mess, its just dismissed offhand. They do really good damage now, espically considering that they are still a support DPS. Like seriously, quit bitching.

Finally a backup <3

Honestly, I don't care about your community Bards. But there is one thing I do see and you guys spawned an awful whine thread about Bards for 77 pages so far that achieved absolutely nothing. If you'd invest all that time how to maximize and play the Job properly, the community would do much better. It's beyond me that you keep crying after the producer told you it's doing fine and it's because you haven't figured out the Job yet you are behind. And that 2mins 40secs video of that Bard second DPS at 1239 behind the top DPS who has 1239 DPS is the proof your job is not broken and you use the weakest argument of life. "There's 2 targets." This applies to everybody in the party, not just Bards.

[Snowaeth]

Every time someone is given a reason that Bards arent this broken mess, its just dismissed offhand. They do really good damage now, espically considering that they are still a support DPS. Like seriously, quit bitching.

And every time someone posts misleading info people that don't play the class come and defend it as hard evidence, disregarding facts as bitching.