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  1. #31
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    Waffilicious's Avatar
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    Fabian Wafflemeister
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    Adamantoise
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    Guildhest: basically a playing 101 for basic situations, i can see how it can seem useless now that you plow through low lv content.

    potions: there hasn't been a moment when i see my healers of endgame static not using mp/status potions even poison pots helped clear t13

    Food: again i dare you do coil/alex savage without food and try to clear it before nerf.

    Treasure Chests: I use the drops all the time to sell/desynth/gear up/get grand company seals.

    Chocobo: Instead of asking help all the time when people are busy i use chocobo to do some things fast.

    Hunting/sightseeing logs: they are kinda of point of view from developers that from that point you can see something beautiful they have created and i've got some of my favorite screenshots from them

    City Airship: yeah people with very low gil use them but for me it just there to make it feel a bit more alive. (the game)

    Linkshells: lets see... i have my fc, my ls for closest friends, my ls for alliance between my fc and another fc, my ls for fishermen who help each other with info, and my hunt ls that sends me news of hunts... now i ask how can you not find a use for it?

    Irrelevant Quest lines: made because people ask for more content which becomes abandoned as another fight until someone bored does it again in lv cap to remember how challenging it was originally and if you erase it people would say this game has no content or diversity and everything old disappears and leaves nothing to do when you want to rechallenge yourself.
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  2. #32
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    QiLymePye's Avatar
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    Bloody Knuckles
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    Lamia
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Chiramu View Post
    X-ether during Floor 4 Alexander, Phase 3. X-potion when I am soloing on lowbies.

    Good tanks that let people get exp or want exp for themselves clear the whole dungeon. Don't bring everyone down to your level and assume everyone is like you.
    Wait, like me how? I don't speed run. I hate it. I don't even have a high enough lvl tank. I don't tank. But I've been in parties where tanks take off and speed run, alot. So explain what you mean by "not bringing people down to my level". Im curious, what lvl would that be? And lets get something straight here with this game, I'm all for it. I'm a FF fanatic/fanboy/whatever you wanna call it. But because i care about this game so much, I'm very critical. It has potential but I feel like the development team is afraid to let loose. Maybe because of what happened with 1.0. But the way this game is going, they are gonna lose people.

    I have supported SE back when they where just Square. I've played many of their games and I know what they are capable off. They are holding the players' hands too much in this game. This is the most linear MMO i have ever played. This shouldn't even be called an "MMO", its a single player game with limited multiplayer aspects. Tell me I'm wrong? I am at home playing ESO more than this game. And that game feels like an MMO. I need SE to get back on track. (And they jacked up my BRD job...AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!)
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  3. #33
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    Cerys Fairbairn
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    Tonberry
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by QiLymePye View Post
    1)Wait, tell me when the last time you used a potion? be honest. 2) If they took the potions out of the game tomorrow, would you miss it? will people all over the game start failing duties?3) I wanna know who uses potions on a regular in endgame? tell me.4) Now, sane with food. When was the last time you not eating some chestnuts cost you a run, especially in endgame? 5) And finally, if SE said they were removing potions to make more inventory room and armory room, how many people will complain? 6) How many hot bar slots do you have dedicated to potions? I wager none. Or maybe one. I wouldn't miss potions, especially now that they nurfed earlier lvls. I would rather them increase exp fighting random mobs in the open world than have me pop a lizard foot in my mouth for 3% boost to kill a mob in a dungeon that people speed run through. Whens the last time you killed every mob in a dungeon for exp?
    1) 5 mins ago.
    2) yes
    3) Lots of people I know, including me. But obviously not you.
    4) Have you ever tried endgame? Before they were nerfed or people overgeared them? And even if food didn't cause you to survive, it still made things easier.
    5) That is such a silly premise I won't bother to argue about it.
    6) You just lost a wager.

    Anyway, I am tired of numbering. I'll just quote myself from a previous post.

    What you think is useless and boring is liked by some others. And what you think is fun and needed is hated by others.
    Because, you know, not everyone plays the same way or for the same reason. Most of your points are how you played the game, not how everyone plays the game.
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  4. #34
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    Garlyle's Avatar
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    Alvis Yune
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    Adamantoise
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    Fisher Lv 70
    Wait, like me how?
    Your entire argument is "I don't use these things and I haven't made an effort to understand how or why people might use these things or find value in them, so they should go".

    Which is crappy.

    Not everyone plays in the same way as you, or has the same experiences or desires as you do. Don't bother using your chocobo companion? That's your choice and I respect that. Don't want to get a party together to do old content? That's fine, not everyone does. Don't see the purpose in Guildhests since you've already learned the lessons elsewhere theoretically? That's okay, they're not targetted at people in your position. Etc etc...

    I fail to see how your lack of interest in certain features justifies cutting them because basically everything in the game could be argued 'cuttable' if we're using "someone out there doesn't do it" as a judgment.
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  5. #35
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    studionevermore1's Avatar
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    Arn Nevermore
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 58
    If you don't use potions you're being an absolute *bleep* you your healers in endgame. Even in raids like CT and ST, potions to top yourself off so your healer doesn't have to is common courtesy in my eyes. But hey ho let the healer pick it up right? If we wipe it's their fault <if you can't tell that was a cheap try at sarcasm>.

    BTW guildheists teach brand new mmo players how to heal, how to tank and how to gtfo of the aoe. But still people make the same mistakes. Such is life eh?

    Anyway pots & food are always needed. If you ain't using endgame you need ro have a quick chat with your FC.
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  6. #36
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    Unglitteringold's Avatar
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    Gen Eric
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    Lamia
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    Warrior Lv 57
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace View Post
    But yeah, all the things you're looking for, you'll find it while doing some end-game. Ask your friends to take you through Coil....
    You also didn't run most of the available dungeons....
    Firstly, thank you for actually reading and responding to my posts! It is nice to be able to have an actual conversation.
    Secondly, I have found in FF that I do not have many friends, as most of the content seems designed for Solo play. I have a few IRL friends that I play with, but they are not much further along than I. As for dungeons past 50, I have not played any yet, I don't think. The duty finder has not been enjoyable.
    I do hope that at some I get to experience the HW dungeons, but it seems that small changes to lower level duties could improve the game experience for new players. FF is still a relatively new MMO, and bringing in new players is important to keep the game going. There are many duties from 15th level to 50th which are painfully dull.
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  7. #37
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    Tonberry
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by QiLymePye View Post
    Wait, like me how? I don't speed run. I hate it. I don't even have a high enough lvl tank. I don't tank. But I've been in parties where tanks take off and speed run, alot. So explain what you mean by "not bringing people down to my level". Im curious, what lvl would that be? And lets get something straight here with this game, I'm all for it. I'm a FF fanatic/fanboy/whatever you wanna call it. But because i care about this game so much, I'm very critical. It has potential but I feel like the development team is afraid to let loose. Maybe because of what happened with 1.0. But the way this game is going, they are gonna lose people.

    I have supported SE back when they where just Square. I've played many of their games and I know what they are capable off. They are holding the players' hands too much in this game. This is the most linear MMO i have ever played. This shouldn't even be called an "MMO", its a single player game with limited multiplayer aspects. Tell me I'm wrong? I am at home playing ESO more than this game. And that game feels like an MMO. I need SE to get back on track. (And they jacked up my BRD job...AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!)
    What are you still doing here then?
    If another game fits you more, then stick with that one. Don't bother trying to change anther game to fit you, because others play that game for the things you aren't interested in.
    And that other game that you like so much is hated by others who look for other things.

    That's why we have choices, you know. That's why things are different.
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  8. #38
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    QiLymePye's Avatar
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    Bloody Knuckles
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    Lamia
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    Archer Lv 50
    Once again, Its not about how i play. I'm not forcing any of you to play like I have, which is apparently wrong cause I don't pop potions every time they cool down or eat food before every dungeon. What I'm saying is they seem to not have a huge negative effect if not used. I rarely use potions endgame, which I have played before HW, and I've had a lot of success. I only wiped if I wasn't paying attention or didn't know mechanic. I want SE to succeed, I love FF, but people like you that are bashing peoples opinions and name calling and trying to humiliate, that's the major problem with this game. I feel like there are more children playing this game than there was playing FFXI. The maturity level here is very low.

    And the fact that you keep saying "endgame", this game isn't all about "endgame". or it shouldn't be. The way its going now, its not gonna last long. SE has to improve things. Finally, I was just agreeing with the op's question about about why these things are relevant. Damn...people always looking to fight on these forums.
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  9. #39
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    J'talhdi Belhi
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    Bismarck
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Unglitteringold View Post
    Firstly, thank you for actually reading and responding to my posts! It is nice to be able to have an actual conversation.
    Secondly, I have found in FF that I do not have many friends, as most of the content seems designed for Solo play. I have a few IRL friends that I play with, but they are not much further along than I. As for dungeons past 50, I have not played any yet, I don't think. The duty finder has not been enjoyable.
    I do hope that at some I get to experience the HW dungeons, but it seems that small changes to lower level duties could improve the game experience for new players. FF is still a relatively new MMO, and bringing in new players is important to keep the game going. There are many duties from 15th level to 50th which are painfully dull.
    Its worth noting what you find challenging vs dull doesn't match everyone. The story content, that is most of the levelling dungeons, are designed to gradually go up in difficulty to accommodate people who don't naturally take to mechanics. Challenge is important to keeping content entertaining but it has to be balanced against accessibility. What you find challenging might feeling like a frustrating barrier to another player and drive them off.

    Gamers often make the mistake off assuming their viewpoint and opinion matches the majority. In reality for every opinion someone gives there is almost certainly someone else giving the very opposite opinion. There lies the real challenge for developers. Finding a balance that at least makes the majority reasonably satisfied.

    I also suggest getting a firm understanding of the full spectrum of content before assuming certain things are unnecessary. I've had every item in your list be of value to me quite frequently. Even Guildhests. Sure they seem unimportant but they do hold value particularly to people very new to games to dip their toes into content and try out their class in a group without feeling the pressure of a dungeon.
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  10. #40
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    Cerys Fairbairn
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by QiLymePye View Post
    Once again, Its not about how i play. I'm not forcing any of you to play like I have, which is apparently wrong cause I don't pop potions every time they cool down or eat food before every dungeon. What I'm saying is they seem to not have a huge negative effect if not used. I rarely use potions endgame, which I have played before HW, and I've had a lot of success. I only wiped if I wasn't paying attention or didn't know mechanic. I want SE to succeed, I love FF, but people like you that are bashing peoples opinions and name calling and trying to humiliate, that's the major problem with this game. I feel like there are more children playing this game than there was playing FFXI. The maturity level here is very low.

    And the fact that you keep saying "endgame", this game isn't all about "endgame". or it shouldn't be. The way its going now, its not gonna last long. SE has to improve things. Finally, I was just agreeing with the op's question about about why these things are relevant. Damn...people always looking to fight on these forums.
    And everyone is just disagreeing with your points. Damn... people can't take being disagreed with on these forums.
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