Observations from a New Player

[Unglitteringold]

Its worth noting what you find challenging vs dull doesn't match everyone....
Gamers often make the mistake off assuming their viewpoint and opinion matches the majority.... Finding a balance that at least makes the majority reasonably satisfied.
I also suggest getting a firm understanding of the full spectrum of content before assuming certain things are unnecessary.... Even Guildhests. Sure they seem unimportant but they do hold value particularly to people very new to games to dip their toes into content and try out their class in a group without feeling the pressure of a dungeon.

I do not assume that my opinions are the majority. You might notice that in the OP I said that these were my thoughts and observations. Also, I understand that finding balance is difficult, which is why I believe it is important for people to state their ideas and opinions.
I do not assume that certain things are unnecessary. Based on my experience in the game, I have found certain things to be unnecessary. I have learned from this post that other people find some of these things extremely necessary.
For Example, I have done Guildhests as 6 different jobs. Based on my experience, I do not see a point to them. Perhaps I am doing something wrong, or, perhaps, there is a better way to teach players how to work in a group and utilize their skills. If everyone blindly assumes that everything is fine because it was fine two years ago when the game came out, then there can be no improvement. MMO's have the exciting ability to change and adapt to the needs of the players. When I state my thoughts, it is merely an attempt to learn from others and possibly contribute to the community.
For Example, I was not aware how vital food and potions are to end game raiding. Now I know. And if I ever get to the point where I am doing end game raiding, I will now know that I need to bring food and potions. I have learned something, and that is the point of these forums, is it not?

[SecretCrowds]

I do not assume that my opinions are the majority. You might notice that in the OP I said that these were my thoughts and observations. Also, I understand that finding balance is difficult, which is why I believe it is important for people to state their ideas and opinions.
I do not assume that certain things are unnecessary. Based on my experience in the game, I have found certain things to be unnecessary. I have learned from this post that other people find some of these things extremely necessary.
For Example, I have done Guildhests as 6 different jobs. Based on my experience, I do not see a point to them. Perhaps I am doing something wrong, or, perhaps, there is a better way to teach players how to work in a group and utilize their skills. If everyone blindly assumes that everything is fine because it was fine two years ago when the game came out, then there can be no improvement. MMO's have the exciting ability to change and adapt to the needs of the players. When I state my thoughts, it is merely an attempt to learn from others and possibly contribute to the community.
For Example, I was not aware how vital food and potions are to end game raiding. Now I know. And if I ever get to the point where I am doing end game raiding, I will now know that I need to bring food and potions. I have learned something, and that is the point of these forums, is it not?

If you had phrased your OP this way, instead of saying that they should be removed, a lot of the arguments here wouldn't have happened.

Asking for things to be deleted is definitely asking for strong reactions.

Guildhests were indeed useful when the game was new. When everyone was new. However, it's impact is limited now, due to them being steamrolled by experienced players. A new player joining them might miss out their point in the first place. In fact, the same can be said for any other old content, including the ones you mentioned in the OP.

This game is definitely far from perfect. Everyone disagreeing with your OP or QiLymPye will not say the game is perfect. It's how you phrase it. When you make a suggestion, if your suggestion impacts how others play the game, you will get strong reactions, there is no way about that. Instead of asking things to be removed, you could have asked how they could be improved. I myself have suggestions about how the things you wanted removed in the OP can be improved.

And yes, the first part of your OP is indeed good.

I appreciate and respect that you changed the tone from your OP. I will definitely do the same in my replies to you now.

[Lucidbro]

If you had phrased your OP this way, instead of saying that they should be removed, a lot of the arguments herewouldn't havehappened.

No, frankly it's plain obvious that the OP is giving his input as a new player if you just stopped and read his posts, and the lot of you are just unfortunately acting like obnoxious assess. Something like this will uneventfully happen on almost any other forum but here. This community really needs to be able to handle some criticism, or you'll be your own undoing.
The OP isn't doing anything out of the ordinary, people just need to learn to argue/explain and discuss. Someone thinks something you like isn't good, don't throw a hissy fit like some creature that has just learned to type words. Explain your viewpoint, if it's a new player, even more reason. But no, the community here is out to attack him and brand him as a troll rather than accept that someone could possibly have negative views towards something in their loved game. You guys are so full of yourselves.

[QiLymePye]

And Lucid, I was just talking to my friend about the fact that it seems that alot of people who like this game can't take criticism. You point out something wrong, they get up in arms. You dislike one feature about the game, they tell you to quit playing. I've been playing this game since 2.0. This attitude is getting worse and that attitude will force people to stop playing. If this forum represents a small portion of the game, and its this much negativity and arrogance and bad attitudes and such, its no wonder people are having the same issues throughout the game.

Just wanted to add, I like this game, I like SE, I want this game to be successful like i think everyone else does. I think they are being too cautious because of what happened with 1.0 and IMO it's hurting them.

[Cakekizy]

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How you expressed your opinion in first place has a lot to do with it. If you had said you didn't know value of these items and not said they should be removed, bet responses would have been much different.

[QiLymePye]

How you expressed your opinion in first place has a lot to do with it. If you had said you didn't know value of these items and not said they should be removed, bet responses would have been much different.

What?! #1, I didn't make thread. #2, Obviously, if i didn't think they were useful, then I didn't think they have value. #3 What is it with people in these Forums? I commented about a few post back that after hearing some of the people say they are useful endgame, that I was going to try it out. I ended on that note in regards to the usefulness of potions. How are you gonna come in here way after the fact and try to call me out on something that was over. Man...All in the Kool-Aid and don't even know the flavor....SMH

[Cakekizy]

What?! #1, I didn't make thread. #2, Obviously, if i didn't think they were useful, then I didn't think they have value. #3 What is it with people in these Forums? I commented about a few post back that after hearing some of the people say they are useful endgame, that I was going to try it out. I ended on that note in regards to the usefulness of potions. How are you gonna come in here way after the fact and try to call me out on something that was over. Man...All in the Kool-Aid and don't even know the flavor....SMH

Sorry, your pic looks similar to OP. Thought you were him.

[SecretCrowds]

No, frankly it's plain obvious that the OP is giving his input as a new player if you just stopped and read his posts, and the lot of you are just unfortunately acting like obnoxious assess. Something like this will uneventfully happen on almost any other forum but here. This community really needs to be able to handle some criticism, or you'll be your own undoing.
The OP isn't doing anything out of the ordinary, people just need to learn to argue/explain and discuss. Someone thinks something you like isn't good, don't throw a hissy fit like some creature that has just learned to type words. Explain your viewpoint, if it's a new player, even more reason. But no, the community here is out to attack him and brand him as a troll rather than accept that someone could possibly have negative views towards something in their loved game. You guys are so full of yourselves.

You missed my point. It's not that he thinks what I like isn't good. it's that he thinks that everything he doesn't like should be deleted. If you actually read the posts that disagreed with him, that is what they are talking about.

Yes, he gave his input. And his input was that since those things are useless to him, they should be deleted.

Who is the one full of themselves? The one that thinks that everything they don't like should be removed or the one that disagreed with him?

And I stick to my point in that post you quoted. If he had phrased his OP in a different way, the response would have been different.

[Lucidbro]

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There is nothing wrong with how the OP present himself. There is only an issue regarding the community being overly touchy and juvenile.
Thread title is: "Observations from a New Player". Doesn't even matter what comes after that, the context of him being new is established. If there are things that don't make sense to him and don't seem to serve any other purpose there is nothing wrong with suggesting to remove said feature. It's up to the participants here to explain and demonstrate why it isn't so. Very normal conduct anywhere else, but here the discussion deteriorates into petty quips like quit the game and "OP is a troll".
1. Things I think would make FFXIV more fun
2. Things I think FFXIV can get rid of
This is all opinion and presented under the impressions of a new player. If someone manages to take offense to this or thinks this is presented arrogantly, then these people need to learn how to deal with normal discussion and forum conduct.

No. If someone's gonna go post a rather extreme suggestion to outright remove content from the game, they better be prepared to receive some "extreme" feedback from others. And being a new player doesn't excuse him from that.

I mean, just look at this crap: "- Linkshells: I do not know what these are for. I have my friends list and my FC. Why do I need a linkshell?"

That's pretty much saying "I don't know what ____ is for, and I don't use one anyway, so I suggest removing them from the game!"

That's a childish reaction. He is asking for someone to explain to him what the use of linksells is, as he hasn't had any use for it so far.
What am I supposed to see here that justifies "extreme feedback"? All I see in this thread is a bunch of insecure man children unable to handle discussion or criticism and it makes me upset.

The other day a new player in my guild asked what to do with his full inventory, it was explained to him that he needed to stash his stuff into the inventory of his retainers. He though it was stupid and it was much more logical to stash it into the chest in his room and was a feature that should be removed.
We were instantly able to agree that it was indeed bad and unintuitive design. The game isn't perfect. People have to realize this.

[Destomius]

That's a childish reaction. He is asking for someone to explain to him what the use of linksells is, as he hasn't had any use for it so far.
What am I supposed to see here that justifies "extreme feedback"? All I see in this thread is a bunch of insecure man children unable to handle discussion or criticism and it makes me upset.

The other day a new player in my guild asked what to do with his full inventory, it was explained to him that he needed to stash his stuff into the inventory of his retainers. He though it was stupid and it was much more logical to stash it into the chest in his room and was a feature that should be removed.
We were instantly able to agree that it was indeed bad and unintuitive design. The game isn't perfect. People have to realize this.

Uh no. Childish is suggesting content get removed out of ignorance regarding it's use. Yes, he asked what they were for: several posts later after making a first post suggestion that they be outright removed from the game.

"I don't use this and I don't know what it's for, so therefore the game is shouldn't have them." is childish, ignorant, and selfish. You act as if only the game or the people responding to this thread should be able to handle criticism, while completely dismissing the idea that perhaps maybe it's the OP that should be able to handle it as well. OP has every right to post criticism and feedback on the forums, just as much as we have every right to criticize his ideas.

And suggesting that they remove content the OP doesn't use that other people may enjoy qualifies as an extreme suggestion.