SMN poorly implemented

[Akiza]

Summoner is not a pet job it was orginally a Black Mage that decided to focus on the art of summoning which is how Summoners were born. To make it more of a Summoner SE would have to give us the ability to transform into a unique God/Goddesss embodying Hydealyn in order to keep in line with the lore.

[Azuta]

Summoner is not a pet job it was orginally a Black Mage that decided to focus on the art of summoning which is how Summoners were born. To make it more of a Summoner SE would have to give us the ability to transform into a unique God/Goddesss embodying Hydealyn in order to keep in line with the lore.

The thing is there is never a time in the summoner storyline in XIV where they say what the mages were. They were just allagan mages that were able to summon primals and then discovered an art to transmute there essence into egi versions. So we don't know if the allagan mages were black mages,white mages or neither of the above.

In final fantasy III where summoning was first used. The black mage came from the wind crystal and the evoker class that turns to summoner from the water crystal. Adding to that the sage class in III was a master mage and used every type of magic black,white and summoning. So it was more an advanced red mage then a black mage.

[Nestama]

I'd be okay if the current SMN became Necromancer with a focus on DoTs, plagues, and changed the pets to become spirits, skeletons, zombies, and other horrors. I'd be perfectly fine with that. Then implement SMN as a new job with an actual focus on real summoning.

That's kinda what Thaumaturge's (NPC's) do. Or Black Mage's (they summoned Diabolos). Either or, that's something the lore has already made impossible for Summoners.
The Allagan Mages did not summon Primals. They summoned the Egi's to combat the Primals of the Beastmen.

[Mhikail]

I dunno... Deathflare you're doing because Bahamut/Dreadwyrm Trance so that's kinda a summon doing it, just doing it through you.

This is why, before I got burned to the stake suggested that you should make yourself...the summoner like the summons.
Say Shiva stance.
Ifrit stance.
Titan Stance and so on.
Or more interactions with your pets. Ahk Morn and the LB's are a good example of it.
I just thought I'd be with my pets more but eh...I'd be happy too, with a complete overhaul
and take a Beast Master as a replacement Pet job. It's just not doing it for me as SMN also the Egi's look like nuggets.
Hell, give me Carby's back and more 'self summons' shit, and you got a deal even then...The more I think on it
the more I do not like Egi's and the pets feel tagged on so I wanna get rid of them tbh...So I kinda want them gone
and you just take the power of the Summons and use them for you own self...Carby can do his own thing lol.

Tldr; Give Beast Master as a Pet Job. Overhaul Summoner to have Stance-like power things for each Summon.

[Akiza]

That's kinda what Thaumaturge's (NPC's) do. Or Black Mage's (they summoned Diabolos). Either or, that's something the lore has already made impossible for Summoners.
The Allagan Mages did not summon Primals. They summoned the Egi's to combat the Primals of the Beastmen.

The Allagan Mages did summon Primals to try and dominate the Allagan emopire fearing there power the Allagans executed every Mage that had the knowledge of summoning until there were few Mages with the knowledge of summoning until their were only a few of them left. Afterwards the last Summoners died off and the Art of Summoning was lost to history until the Y'mhitra and the Sons of Saint Coinarch decided to ressurect it.

[Dyvid]

That's kinda what Thaumaturge's (NPC's) do. Or Black Mage's (they summoned Diabolos). Either or, that's something the lore has already made impossible for Summoners.
The Allagan Mages did not summon Primals. They summoned the Egi's to combat the Primals of the Beastmen.

This is correct, THM would call forth Voidsent which i'm sure Diabolos is included in that list though with lore now anything could be a primal. Allagan didn't summon primals but rather capture and harnessed them. They are still bound by the same rules as current summoners, finite egi and silly trances.

On the subject of lore though, I wish people would stop pretending their is a rule book set in stone that the devs have consult before they add anything too the game. They can do and will do anything they want then write the lore to go along with it.

[Nadirah]

You realize that making the class wholly around the pet, you alienate players that want to play their character, not a primal avatar, right?

And balance. Basing it around the summons has the very real potential to either rock face or suck ass.

On top of it, you can give them a dozen summons and you still end up with this: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WhvvNGeHHME

[Dualblade]

Summoner is not a pet job it was orginally a Black Mage that decided to focus on the art of summoning which is how Summoners were born. To make it more of a Summoner SE would have to give us the ability to transform into a unique God/Goddesss embodying Hydealyn in order to keep in line with the lore.

In a way both X and XII summons were basically a pet class. In X's case a very OP one except for certain battles (and even then it had enough time to do the original version of "giant attack animation"), while XII was toned down a bit from that and basically always on Sic.

[Yukiko]

SMN should be like this:

[Dualblade]

SMN should be like this:

coughcough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5FWFKRR1K4 cough