Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

[Kaedan]

Eh... kind of sketchy. DRK is the worst MT of the three, in addition to being the worst OT. It's usable, but the same people who would kick a DRK for their dubious OT abilities would be just as well to avoid them for MT too. Especially for the Bismark Ex fight that OP mentioned. When I was doing it, I found that being a reliable DRK MT for that fight can be quite difficult, as in order to keep pumping out enough DPS to help the party clear the enrages, combined with that awful MP bug, you have to play it pretty fast and loose with your MP, which makes it hard to reliably gather up the right birds with AoEs when they spawn.

DRK is not the worst MT of the three. WAR is a worse MT than DRK. And DRK is a better OT than PLD. So DRK + WAR is a better combo than PLD + PLD or WAR + WAR. PLD + WAR is still the "Min/Max" of choice if you don't have any confidence in your tank player or are using a PUG. But DRK player that knows what they are doing doesn't put the party at any disadvantage.

[Pinkie_Pie]

DRK is not the worst MT of the three. WAR is a worse MT than DRK. And DRK is a better OT than PLD. So DRK + WAR is a better combo than PLD + PLD or WAR + WAR. PLD + WAR is still the "Min/Max" of choice if you don't have any confidence in your tank player or are using a PUG. But DRK player that knows what they are doing doesn't put the party at any disadvantage.

I've already said that to them but alot of min/max'ers don't like DRK and the idiots who believe in the bullcrap that DRK suck only makes it harder to get in a group. I feel sorry for MCH the worse apparently since I just found out they have bad dps it seems

[Kiteless]

DRK is not the worst MT of the three. WAR is a worse MT than DRK. And DRK is a better OT than PLD. So DRK + WAR is a better combo than PLD + PLD or WAR + WAR. PLD + WAR is still the "Min/Max" of choice if you don't have any confidence in your tank player or are using a PUG. But DRK player that knows what they are doing doesn't put the party at any disadvantage.

Why would WAR be a worse MT than DRK? WAR has better damage, better mitigation, and offers better party support than DRK while main tanking.

Why would PLD be a worse OT than DRK? PLD has similar damage output to DRK, exceeding it after about 2 minutes of fighting, and offers far better party support than DRK while off tanking.

I'm having an incredibly hard time trying to figure out what your reasoning is for either of these claims, because DRK offers absolutely nothing of value that these tanks aren't capable of doing better. The argument might be made that DRK has slightly better magical mitigation than the other tanks, but not even close to an extent that might leave them wanting.

In cases of WAR/WAR, you'll still far better damage than any combination involving DRK with just about the same utility; and in cases of PLD/PLD, the damage would be similar to any combination involving DRK, but with slightly better sustain and far more party utility.

[Kaedan]

Why would WAR be a worse MT than DRK? WAR has better damage, better mitigation, and offers better party support than DRK while main tanking.

Why would PLD be a worse OT than DRK? PLD has similar damage output to DRK, exceeding it after about 2 minutes of fighting, and offers far better party support than DRK while off tanking.

I'm having an incredibly hard time trying to figure out what your reasoning is for either of these claims, because DRK offers absolutely nothing of value that these tanks aren't capable of doing better.

-WAR does not have better mitigation than a DRK. Also, DRK and WAR are fairly equal in damage as MT. So: DRK has better mitigation and equal damage, so DRK is the better MT.
-DRK's damage as an OT is much higher than a PLDs, not "similar". True that DRKs have some TP issues, but that's after 3 minutes, not 2.

Curious what support you think WARs and PLDs offer better than DRKs too?

[Xariann]

-WAR does not have better mitigation than a DRK.

I did some calculations some time ago, I found that WAR does indeed have better mitigation and it's also slightly better than DRK for magic damage reduction. But those calculations were purely based on theoretical tank busters (and yes I did make up a scenario with an hypothetical magic tank buster), so that doesn't take into account sustained damage instead of burst, or add tanking.