Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
The problem isn't that MCH or Bards do not how to slidecast( they can actually do this more efficently since they have a 1.5 cast time). [I]It's the fact that their cast time abilities amount to the same, if not a damage loss compared to dpsing without it.[/I

Their utility is also debatable at best. Because the EX primals have downtimes, that means TP regen isn't needed. It won't ever be needed unless you have a punching bag boss like T8 or T11. MP regen is never needed unless the fight has gone south or it's a progression fight... or there's excessive healing going on.

This is objectively false at level 60. The parses i've seen have shown a 100+ dps increase from WM on tests if not more. I will give you that it doesn't really take hold until you hit 60 and have all of your abilities but at end game saying WM makes no difference is just not true.

As far as the utility in exchange for DPS "problem", it's a balancing thing and it has nothing to do with "whats needed", it has to do with "whats available and beneficial." Bards and machinists have a pretty secure spot in raids right now and saying they have to "design raids around needing these utilities in order for them to be useful" isn't really true either. The other classes are designed around needing these utilities by nature of their resource use and consumption, it has nothing to do with the raids although raids is where we see the largest benefit from utilities. This has more to do with dungeon and story content being face roll easy than having to do with a lack of necessity on the part of the bard.

I also want to point out that a single players parse is hardly a litmus for determining anything. Parses need to be taken into account from multiple players in various situations to understand the exact differences in damage output. At this point various parses have been put up on reddit showing a dps increase of 100 or more between WM on and off in various situations. On top of this square is addressing issues regarding it implementation.

But lets be real here if you are asking for a Bard to have a potential dps output of a dragoon you are kidding yourself. It just isn't going to happen and the reason is balancing.