MCH worth my time?

[Dement]

Stop right there -_-

If this is the case MCH will never get into a group anyway because BRD's regen will always be better.

Taking both into a group should be perfectly viable just like it is for every other damn class, stop treating both jobs like they are there to be your own crappy supports (non existant) and that only.

SNM and BLM is a group - "yup np!"
DRG and NIN in groups - "Yeah ofc!"
BRD and MCH - "WFT are you retarded!?"

So long as you can get 4 BRD and 4 MCH groups in duty finder the whole "support" thing doesn't hold any water and I expect them to be able to do some damn damage, hence being dps -_-

Congratulations for supporting the idea of restictions based on class though... "Ahh we got a PLD, no WAR's allowed now"... Great eh?

Sorry if this comes across as pis** kinda sick of seeing this being said like its a good thing when it clearly isn't....

And I'm kind of sick of BRDs thinking they should do the same damage as everyone else. All 4x BRD or 4x MCH needs to be able to do is clear the DPS requirements in duty finder. Which currently with echo, I believe that they would be able to accomplish that in every DF scenario existing. Remember the original days when BRD damage was on par with everyone else? I was a MNK in those days and for MONTHS I was told "ranged DPS or gtfo" in HM and EX primals because BRD brought utility, mobility, and the same DPS as the other classes... why bring anything else? The lower DPS is the only thing actively keeping 4x BRD/MCH from being the way that raiding is done.

Support as its own archtype is non-existant but to pretend that BRD and MCH aren't closer to support than the other classes is asinine. All jobs bring a certain level of utility but not the same as mass refresh on the healers or mass TP regen on every DPS. These are 2 completely different tiers of utility. You have historically had a guaranteed spot because of them which is more than any other class can say, so yes, it is a good thing.

Congratulations for supporting the idea of restrictions based on class though... "We have BRDs and MCHs that produce the same damage while being mobile and adding massive utilities? Who needs anything else?"... Great eh? This also has precedent from the early days.

For the record, I'm not saying that BRDs and MCHs should not get a buff, I absolutely think that they should... they should certainly not be behind a WAR in DPS... but they do not need to be doing the same damage as every other job while maintaining all the benefits of ranged DPS. You can argue that WM will tie them down now but since that's a DPS loss at the moment then nothing has really changed. The real gist of my post was that if the OP can wait until whatever rebalancing happens, there's likely nothing wrong with being a MCH if that's what he really wants to be.