MCH worth my time?

[Alchemii]

This would only be true for progression. Once its regular or farming content (or really dungeon content), having lower dps by default end up being cumbersome.

And even then, BRD's tp/mp regen is more controlled when it comes to burst or spur of a moment (healer died or ressing), while machinist's is tied to their dps cooldown (hypercharge) which eats away at their overall output if they dont use it on cooldown in favor of saving it for such moments.

Not completely, Promotion can still be used for TP/MP Regen without Hypercharge. However, yea it's a weakened form and MCH will still probably never get picked for a Raid over a BRD, and let's be honest since BRD has been around since 2.0 there are no shortage of them.

[RiceisNice]

Not completely, Promotion can still be used for TP/MP Regen without Hypercharge. However, yea it's a weakened form and MCH will still probably never get picked for a Raid over a BRD, and let's be honest since BRD has been around since 2.0 there are no shortage of them.

Thats what I mean. Without hypercharge, the regen from promotion is pretty piss poor. It's not going to save your healers from running out of mana if they're dangerously low from dying or ressing.

[ZodiacSoldier]

Not completely, Promotion can still be used for TP/MP Regen without Hypercharge. However, yea it's a weakened form and MCH will still probably never get picked for a Raid over a BRD, and let's be honest since BRD has been around since 2.0 there are no shortage of them.

But isn't the MP Refresh Potency of Promotion 30, just like Mage's Ballad, and the TP refresh is 30 TP per tic just like Army's Paeon. Only difference is that BRD song is centered around caster and MCH Promotion is centered around his turret (each have their benefits depending on situation/fight).

Why exactly would raids always pick BRD over MCH, wasn't their DPS similar to each other? I haven't really gotten them to 60 yet so havent gotten a chance to try them at max level yet, but would like to eventually.

[Alchemii]

But isn't the MP Refresh Potency of Promotion 30, just like Mage's Ballad, and the TP refresh is 30 TP per tic just like Army's Paeon. Only difference is that BRD song is centered around caster and MCH Promotion is centered around his turret (each have their benefits depending on situation/fight).

Why exactly would raids always pick BRD over MCH, wasn't their DPS similar to each other? I haven't really gotten them to 60 yet so havent gotten a chance to try them at max level yet, but would like to eventually.

Not what I've heard or seen. I'm actually having trouble finding solid numbers on, but based on my experience it seems that without Hypercharge Brd Regens MP/TP at a much higher rate than MCH. With Hypercharge it feels like it evens out there. So I'd actually assume that Promotion is base 15, since Hypercharge doubles it, but like I said I am having trouble finding exact numbers so I could be very wrong I'll give an update when I do find some solid numbers on it. Unless someone can beat me too it.

All that being said even if they do the same Regen as BRD without Hypercharge, it's still a much bigger DPS lose to activate than it is for BRD.

P.S.: Editing is magic.

[RiceisNice]

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When I have to do Ballad or Paeon in a raid, I always pop battle voice with it so it gets them up fast. Otherwise, I'm singing for an indefinite amount of time or until I run out of mana because it'll at best break even on their costs (or not keep up if it gets really healing intensive, such as recovering from deaths), or it's a extreme downtime during a fight.

If i wanted ot do that as machinist, I'd have to hold hypercharge, which is one of my dps cooldowns. That already leads to a dps loss by not using my cooldowns, on top of the dps loss from disabling the turret's attacks.