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    Greywolfamakir's Avatar
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    Greywolf Amakir
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Aerya View Post
    OK to have a little less power, like in 2.5. Not OK to be the only ones stuck at lvl 50 while the others have fun with their great new lvl 60 skills. Personally, I didn't play my BRD in Heavensward yet (not worth it) and gave up on the MCH.There is a lot to do, no time to waste with trash classes.
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    Since the release, I have been playing BRD and MCH day by day, killing Bis Ex and Ravana Ex, I think Im doing a really good job with BRD and MCH, but when I check my parser I really feel Im being "rushed" by real DPSs like DRG, BLM, SMN, NIN or MNK. My DPS is just like 15-20% lower than top DPS, but I'm not giving TP or MP regen, my party dont need it, then Im doing full DPS...SE hasn't said anything about MCH boost or MCH changes...I don't expect changes at soon to be honest, I would like to keep playing with my mates and dont feel that my group is carring my...If I'm taking a DPS spot I would like to do DPS...
    Reroll to another job is a good idea I think.
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    Last edited by Greywolfamakir; 07-06-2015 at 11:20 AM.

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    Alkel's Avatar
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    Alta Kelma
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 70
    I was BRD main job back in ARR, leveled MCH to 60 and i must say, in his curent state, this job is useless and its the reason we see MCH being kicker from PUG groups.

    DPS is far too low and the "support" skills are not worth it if we look what the BRD can do (hello requiem!).

    For now, i will just stick with the MCH until i got another job ready for end game and will probably never use this gimpy job again. Problem is, BRD also seems gimp now ><

    So i might as well go back on BLM since its what SE seems to want! Ranged physical DPS are not supposed to have cast time, this is ridiculous!
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    Compagnie libre Storm, serveur Ragnarok
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    Ryaz Darksbane
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    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 100
    We got skill to increase our dps-- gauss round and ricochet are really good skills. The problem is that Gauss Barrel, which was also supposed to be a dps increase, ended up hurting us instead. You fix GB to do what it was supposed to do and we'd be good.
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    Animaz Ark
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    Leviathan
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    Summoner Lv 90
    don't lisen to elitist easytoplay classes, SE designed the job MCH it got's pro and cons like every job, it will get a buff (hopefully) and people need to get better as players with their own jobs and working with others players with different jobs as well. Choose the class you want, doesn't matter if you are playing well or not you will face rude players and bad raids runs sometimes anyway.
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    Adventica6's Avatar
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    Lost Tales
    World
    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 80
    There is a huge stigma against mch, and with any game, stigmas don't go away even with changes, for a long, long time. The answer you are looking for is no.
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    Hayward Timberwolf
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    Adamantoise
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    Summoner Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Adventica6 View Post
    There is a huge stigma against mch, and with any game, stigmas don't go away even with changes, for a long, long time. The answer you are looking for is no.
    The only stigma present is coming from idiots copypasting nonsense from the usual elitist forums. That Party Finder groups are preemptively excluding MCH from groups says a lot about the character of these folks. It reeks of FFXI elitism and needs to be stopped by the developers.

    MCH and BRD may need some work in terms of damage output but to hear some of these Chicken Littles on the forum, you'd think SE intended to make both jobs unplayable.
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    Crysta Elizabeth
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    Lamia
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hayward View Post
    The only stigma present is coming from idiots copypasting nonsense from the usual elitist forums. That Party Finder groups are preemptively excluding MCH from groups says a lot about the character of these folks. It reeks of FFXI elitism and needs to be stopped by the developers.

    MCH and BRD may need some work in terms of damage output but to hear some of these Chicken Littles on the forum, you'd think SE intended to make both jobs unplayable.
    While often times people do blow things out of proportion, mch IS being outdamaged by offtanks, and that IS a serious, matter even if they can clear all current content unlike what some would have you believe. The exclusion matter is bad and pre-emptive from people who don't really understand whats needed to clear these bosses, but at least it brings the real issue at hand to se quicker.
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    Kaiser Sturmwind
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    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by MrSmiley View Post
    While often times people do blow things out of proportion, mch IS being outdamaged by offtanks, and that IS a serious, matter even if they can clear all current content unlike what some would have you believe. The exclusion matter is bad and pre-emptive from people who don't really understand whats needed to clear these bosses, but at least it brings the real issue at hand to se quicker.
    All of this. We don't need to pretend there's not a problem. The more people fuss, the quicker it gets realized / fixed.
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    Ryaz Darksbane
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by NovaLevossida View Post
    All of this. We don't need to pretend there's not a problem. The more people fuss, the quicker it gets realized / fixed.
    It MAY get fixed faster. I remember how long it took for Druid issues to be fixed in WoW. But I also agree with Hayward, when people are constantly bemoaning a class, it leaves a really bad impression on everyone else and it's what leads to them being excluded. It turns from "MCH have low DPS" to "MCH can't clear content because their DPS is so low", which isn't true, of course. In some ways, we're our own worst enemy.

    Best thing to do is keep giving good feedback on our issues instead of making all these RIP MCH threads. The latter just hurts us more and more.
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    Amulrei Ebonmoon
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hayward View Post
    The only stigma present is coming from idiots copypasting nonsense from the usual elitist forums. That Party Finder groups are preemptively excluding MCH from groups says a lot about the character of these folks. It reeks of FFXI elitism and needs to be stopped by the developers.

    MCH and BRD may need some work in terms of damage output but to hear some of these Chicken Littles on the forum, you'd think SE intended to make both jobs unplayable.
    The reality is though, why the stigma is around is rather irrelevant. The fact is the stigma IS there and has some pretty damn good reasons for being there. You cannot argue the matter is hyperbole when tanks can literally out-DPS a supposed DPS class.
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