Does warrior have the threat issues pld seems to have at 60?

[Edmond_Guilford]

No issues here with very competent DPS. I do find myself searching for single targets, like if a very good MNK or DRG are in my group I find their mob and Halone it once then continue my rotation.

Pretty much this.

If you can't rotate through your 3 combos while main tanking a single target you're doing something wrong. I can do it in Sword Oath.

And this.

If your using sword oath to tank, you might as well reroll warrior, because your now bascally a warrior with noticably less hp and alot less threat gen. Oh and lower dps too.

You're a clown.


As a side note, Fight or Flight powered flashes are enough to keep threat off pretty much any DPS. Just saying. lol

[Dynalon]

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You're a clown.


As a side note, Fight or Flight powered flashes are enough to keep threat off pretty much any DPS. Just saying. lol

Calling someone a clown that's very valuable and constructive, thank you for your insight.
However I think you are wrong with that side note. Fight or Flight does not influence flash enmity, at least google says that, just for reference: http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Enmity tiny note next to potency of fight or flight says does not work on flash.

[Tanthalus]

This is very true indeed.

One thing I noticed a while back and it's getting even worse is that a tank gets commendations based on his max HP.
If my Max HP is very big, guaranteed 2 commendations on a light party. Even if I mess up.

If wearing STR accessories, meaning the run is going faster and i am in no risk of dying ever and if I don't mess up even once, you don't get any commendations 90% of the time. Cuz your Max HP was not big.

DPS and healers pls explain.

Simple answer is you are too squishy to have a healer delegate extra dps. Sure slapping on str accessories works to hold hate but now you need a constant siphon of healing to keep you up.
You don't see It cos you believe your making a bigger difference with your "extra" dps. Freeing up the healers will make the run faster. Numbers don't lie :P

[ZDamned]

Simple answer is you are too squishy to have a healer delegate extra dps. Sure slapping on str accessories works to hold hate but now you need a constant siphon of healing to keep you up.
You don't see It cos you believe your making a bigger difference with your "extra" dps. Freeing up the healers will make the run faster. Numbers don't lie :P

1000% wrong. At what point does a healer look at incoming damage and not heal it? NEVER is the answer. and weather you have 19K or 14K HP, you will still need to be healed the same amount. The difference is extra HP serves only to make the healer lazy and start healing later than required.

Mind you I said EXTRA HP. not ALL HP.

[Tanthalus]

1000% wrong. At what point does a healer look at incoming damage and not heal it? NEVER is the answer. and weather you have 19L or 14K HP, you will still need to be healed the same amount. The difference is extra HP serves only to make the healer lazy and start healing later than required.

Mind you I said EXTRA HP. not ALL HP.

Well that was a big ol pile of crap opinion. I like how you think large HP pool = lazy healers. Perhaps you should level a healer so you can see for yourself.
All that jumble aside you're still wrong. I can/do switch to clerics and maximize the group dps whenever it's viable to do so.
Yeah that's right...healers actually get a stance to do damage. Again lvl a healer there chief

[SirTaint]

Well that was a big ol pile of crap opinion. I like how you think large HP pool = lazy healers. Perhaps you should level a healer so you can see for yourself.
All that jumble aside you're still wrong. I can/do switch to clerics and maximize the group dps whenever it's viable to do so.
Yeah that's right...healers actually get a stance to do damage. Again lvl a healer there chief

His point is excess HP is excess. NOTHING currently requires a VIT build. I was MTing Ravana EX at i148 last night with a sloshed together hybrid set up.


And to stay on topic I was able to hold hate (i180 sword) at i148 against 7 other i179+ players but I was forced to spam halone which is a large DPS loss.

[GeekMatt]

Excess HP is a buffer. Damage stacks (obviously) so unless your healer is on top of every hit you take, a buffer is nice to have, but HP is no replacement for mitigation.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Neither Warrior nor Paladin had an Enmity generation increase. At best, both got improved ability to sustain AoE enmity generation, but max Enmity per gcd has not increased while the Dps of all classes have increased.

This means that Paladin and Warrior are generating less Enmity relative to everyone at 60 as compared to 50.

[Tanthalus]

His point is excess HP is excess. NOTHING currently requires a VIT build. I was MTing Ravana EX at i148 last night with a sloshed together hybrid set up.


And to stay on topic I was able to hold hate (i180 sword) at i148 against 7 other i179+ players but I was forced to spam halone which is a large DPS loss.

No one (read NO ONE) is counting on the pld to hold large number dps. The party is counting on you having a large HP pool to free up the healers\\' attention to dps/raid heal since you brought up ravana.
Nowhere was the topic derailed. And I can see why you don\\'t think vit is important yet. Because none of the true end game content is released yet. That doesn\\\\'t mean extra vit isn\\'t important, it just means you haven\\'t made the mental switch from 2.5 to 3.0 yet. Generally people care more about seeing big numbers then statting up properly for 4-8 man content which is a shame.

[SirTaint]

No one (read NO ONE) is counting on the pld to hold large number dps. The party is counting on you having a large HP pool to free up the healers\\' attention to dps/raid heal since you brought up ravana.
Nowhere was the topic derailed. And I can see why you don\\'t think vit is important yet. Because none of the true end game content is released yet. That doesn\\\\'t mean extra vit isn\\'t important, it just means you haven\\'t made the mental switch from 2.5 to 3.0 yet. Generally people care more about seeing big numbers then statting up properly for 4-8 man content which is a shame.

Tank DPS is very important always has been. Healer DPS is important as well. But part of the switch to 3.0 was the nerf to healer DPS and the buff to tank DPS.