Does warrior have the threat issues pld seems to have at 60?

[Gyson]

DPS that know how to play and are well geared are a pain to keep hate off atm

That's not DPS that knows how to play, then.

The job of damage dealers is to deal as much damage as possible without causing problems for either the tanks or healers. If they're pulling hate or taking unnecessary damage, then they're failing at their job.

Telegraphs and threat meters exist on *their screen* for a reason, and someone going all tunnel-vision on their damage output (or just being plain lazy) and not managing their positioning or threat properly is just bad at this game.

[Able]

I don't have issues holding hate from anyone really on my 60 PLD. Rarely, in AoE situations, I might forget to Flash enough and I might lose a mob here and there, but that's my own fault. There's no systemic issue with WAR or PLD holding hate. It's a matter of player skill. Now, if there's some dumb melee or BLM that blows all their cooldowns in the very beginning and blows up the mob before I have a chance to establish aggro, then that's their fault and I'll stand there and watch them die. You're not a good DPS just because you can take threat from a tank, especially at the beginning of a pull. You're a bad player who lacks awareness.

[Able]

Here is a Pro tip for enmity. Stop wearing so much Fending garbage accessories. I never lose hate, and I tank everything in Sword Oath. One combo'd Halone HIT by itself in Shield Oath from my Paladin hits a mob for 12,000 Damage worth of Enmity. If you are in full fending, then you can cut that number by just over 7000, and that is the root of most enmity issues.

TLDR: Get rid of your excess HP, YOU DON'T NEED IT!

It depends on the situation. If I'm playing with my buddies, I usually tank most bosses in Sword Oath with all slaying accessories. And, I tank trash in Shield Oath with a mix of slaying and fending. But, if it's a PUG, that means I don't trust the other players around me. So, I play more conventionally.

[Agrieus]

I also wouldn't recommend wearing STR acc's in anything new dungeon/raid related considering you'll have no idea just how much of a beating your meat will be taking. Get accustomed to the environment first, then adjust accordingly because you're useless if you can't take a hit and live to tell the tale.

[ZhycranaDranix]

Tank @ 60 Here

I use all fending gear at around 15000 HP i170 Acc and i180 chest with everything else i170 atm
Bismarck shield and LV 160 weapon.

I have no hate issues what so ever, opting to throw my bonus attributes in STR I've found that 680+ STR on PLD is more than enough to generate hate, I keep the second closes DPS at around 25% of the threat bar even able to weave in some Royal Authorities and DoTs as well.

[Dynalon]

Here is a Pro tip for enmity. Stop wearing so much Fending garbage accessories. I never lose hate, and I tank everything in Sword Oath. One combo'd Halone HIT by itself in Shield Oath from my Paladin hits a mob for 12,000 Damage worth of Enmity. If you are in full fending, then you can cut that number by just over 7000, and that is the root of most enmity issues.

TLDR: Get rid of your excess HP, YOU DON'T NEED IT!

Man if you wanna troll then sure go ahead but pls make sure you do it in a way so that you don't mislead new players. Thank you.

a) you can tank in Sword Oath if your dps has equal or lower gear than you and if you over-gear content, although it is still not possible to keep aoe threat in sword oath if you have aoe dps, simply because PLD has only one skill which does aoe damage (CoS) and it is not spammable
b) if you decide to tank something in sword oath, healer must be able to deal with extra damage and mechanics in particular fight should not one shot you
c) any threat lost by using shield oath (which lowers damage) is more than compensated by boost to enmity (I think enmity boost multiplier is 1.5 or 1.6 theory-crafters please feel free to correct me ...), so you have more enmity in Shield Oath
d) using STR accessories is different matter and has nothing to do with Shield Oath or Sword Oath it just increases base potency of your skills
e) STR accessories will indeed help you with enmity, but you will most likely die if you go with 12k hp and pull 8+ mobs (which is pretty much standard these days if you have aoe dps) in one of the new experts and some boss fights will be on edge too, I have been below 3k hp myself quite few times in past few days.
d) tank's priority in every MMO including this is following : keep threat > survive and minimize incoming damage > do dps , tank's are not dpsers, if you want to play dps and play with your e-peen then fine but don't force the same mentality on tanks.

[AriaEnia]

d) tank's priority in every MMO including this is following : keep threat > survive and minimize incoming damage > do dps , tank's are not dpsers, if you want to play dps and play with your e-peen then fine but don't force the same mentality on tanks.

I totally agree with this one. I never had enmity issues with full fending gears. When it was in ARR, me @ ilvl 122 full fending gears had never lost enmity to those ilvl 130 ninjas and dragoons with full dreadwyrms and zeta. I'm only 57 atm, and have just unlocked Sohm Al dungeon recently, running with full ilvl 170 - 180 dragoons, (even though they are lvl synced) I'm @ 133, I also never have any problems keeping enmity. You just have to know the basic of tanking, that's all.

But for many people in this game, tanks MUST DPS, or you'll be called out bad tanks, can't play the job, suboptimal and being looked down upon. This mentality is rampant and always be forced upon you.

[SpookyGhost]

But for many people in this game, tanks MUST DPS, or you'll be called out bad tanks, can't play the job, suboptimal and being looked down upon. This mentality is rampant and always be forced upon you.

You don't need to maximize DPS unless you're doing raid content. In raid content, everyone must maximize every aspect of their job - for tanks, this includes DPS (whether you want to or not, you're hitting the boss to gain enmity). For dungeons you can do whatever you want as long as you're holding hate and not dying.

The priority system is:

Keep threat > Survive and minimize incoming damage> DPS

as Dynalon said. Any competent tank that chooses to wear full STR accessories is completely aware of this. There is a balance you must achieve to wear full STR, and you must know how to play your job competently (aka pop CDs) to not fall flat on your face. I've been speedrunning Fractal in full STR since I had some random i160 pieces and the HQ gear you get from quests and have yet to drop low or die to a pull. I died to bosses initially when I got greedy or didn't pop a CD, but since then I've learned when and where to pop what CDs.

Some tanks are just straight up bad and don't know what they're doing - they'd likely still die with VIT accessories.

But yes, you can easily keep hate with full fending accessories. Tank enmity is fairly ridiculous in this game, especially with AOE, so that should really never be an issue. STR accessories do help if you're struggling, but are not required.

[Scyris]

It depends on the situation. If I'm playing with my buddies, I usually tank most bosses in Sword Oath with all slaying accessories. And, I tank trash in Shield Oath with a mix of slaying and fending. But, if it's a PUG, that means I don't trust the other players around me. So, I play more conventionally.

If your using sword oath to tank, you might as well reroll warrior, because your now bascally a warrior with noticably less hp and alot less threat gen. Oh and lower dps too.

[XNihili]

My experience with trash mobs in the new expert dungeons as WAR with i160 weapon against a BRD with i180 weapon (and overall better gear) :
when he unleashes hell once in a while (seems like BRD can do a sudden big burst damage when all the right timers are available), I'll lose agro on one monster of the pack. Otherwise there's no problem on boss.