Sooooo this warrior bs...

[Ditto]

As opposed to all those off GCD power hits that WAR has; Brutal Swing and Mercy Stroke.

I'm not comparing it to Warrior.

Just because 1 class has an off GCD hard hitting attack doesn't mean it's a burst class.

Just as you don't NEED off gcd's to have burst. (But lets not just act like Wars crazy damage buffs don't exist)

Drk damage is streamlined, unless you're for whatever reason sitting at MP cap and being very, very picky on when to DA a souleater. In which case you're screwing your own DPS.

Strange how these numbers are getting higher and higher. Do they have ilvl 200 gear or something?

10k - 15k is easily achievable with 20% Echo. That's likely where people are getting those numbers from.

[Alphras]

Ah yeah didn't think about echo.

Still, 15k is a stretch imo. The highest hit I have seen is 10k with full STR gear and a potion on Ravana while he was vulnerable.

[Reynhart]

And warriors can just spam Fell Cleave about every 7 GCD...

Actually, it's 9 GCD since you need 8 GCD to build 5 stacks, unless you "waste" a mitigation skill.
And without berserk, WAR potency is overall lower than DRK

In fact, taking only the window you need to use Fell Cleave from scratch and putting aside any skill with a cooldown longer than that window, PLD is the one with the highest base potency, even though he still lacks some damage buff.

[Gangaloo]

The DPS difference between WAR and PLD is actually extremely close. In fact, the gap in DPS between the two in Shield Oath vs Defiance has been closed dramatically. They're both fairly close together. OT though WAR is ahead but not by a significant margin. The one thing holding PLD back at the moment are fights like Ravana EX where you cannot get all your Goring Blade ticks during his Liberation casts, which ends up lowering your over all DPS. If the boss doesn't jump frequently or have short burst phases, PLD is very competitive with WAR in terms of damage done.

The main reason WAR pulls ahead on fights like Ravana is because they can dumpster their Fel Cleaves during Liberation (which is another reason why people are seeing such high Fel Cleave numbers... because of the extra damage Ravana takes while casting Liberation).

The only thing presently broken about WAR is their almost unlimited TP while DPS'ing in Deliverance. This will push them ahead of the other DPS classes that run out of TP and PLD OT in long fights.

DRK is a non-factor in long drawn out fights and it's not the fault of WAR. DRK just becomes TP starved (especially as OT) so they become more of a liability then a positive. If DRK didn't have severe TP issues it could potentially be right up there with both tanks during long boss encounters.

WAR seems to be in a good place right now and I personally feel any nerfs to them are unwarranted. The only thing that needs adjusting is there near infinite TP. WAR OT did have TP issues, but Fel Cleave alone would have fixed that problem.

[stoxastic]

Sustained dummy DPS all tanks are pretty close. Only reason why people think WARs are ridiculous is because they front load Berserk + Potion + 3x Fell Cleave onto Liberation in Ravana EX to get 10K crits. WAR has undoubtedly the best burst but outside of Berserk their damage is actually pretty modest. They're highest potency skills is a 280 butchers block, adjust that for maim and its still only 336. Compare that to huge potencies of RA or Goring blade on PLD, or DA Souleater on DRK, it's really much lower. I look at Fracture vs Scourge and laugh.

[Hundred]

People focus on the size of the number but are lazy to focus on the actual DPS of other tanks.
Fell cleave is burst, only DPS you really rival as a War is BRD/Mech who Yoshi said they'll give buffs to. Well Maybe if your DPS Lancer,Monk,Ninja,Blm or Summoner are sleeping.

[Reynhart]

They're highest potency skills is a 280 butchers block, adjust that for maim and its still only 336.

I didn't dig deep into damage calculation but is 20% damage boost the same as +20% potency ?

[Zyph]

(e.g. the reddit thread fiasco)

Wait what happened?

[BlueThunder]

And now without being able to double Dark Arts like we use to, our damage is only going to drop, probably quite a bit, meaning Warriors are likely a bit further ahead of us now, more so than they were before.

Also yes, Warrior DPS in general is just really crazy at the moment. They're all over the place, out DPS'ing multiple DPS jobs.

And speaking of the fix they did to Dark Arts, try using it with Abyssal Drain and Dark Passenger with a pack of mobs, you'll "like" what you will see...

[Argyle_Darkheart]

Fell Cleave's high potency is to balance out WAR's comparatively low average potency; it's fine the way it is.