Quote Originally Posted by hallena View Post
Groups with summoner in the party instead of blm has cleared Final coil whitin 2 weeks of release. That 30 dps sure did wipe them hard did it?
The second group of DnT had a DRG and SMN and cleared on 3rd week. Didn't stop them to clear FCoB but they would have done it first/second week with the better jobs (Monk/BLM) It is fair to assume no matter the group comp your bring you'll be able to clear content. But not picking the better jobs makes it harder and longer to clear which contradicts the definition of progression. SUmmoner has an overwhelming edge over Black Mage right now.


Quote Originally Posted by Garotte14 View Post
All I'm seeing is, "Oh no. BLM is too hard now, I'm going to switch SMN so I can do better dps and ppl will want me more." lulz to all of that. BLM is fine, you just need to git gud

Fact is, if you can't pick up BLM and can't play it effectively, then switching to SMN isnt going to help you. If you are running a static and your current BLM isn't pulling adequate numbers, you need to replace the player, not the job. Don't discount a BLM from your group because you are under the impression they are weak and ineffective and summoner is better. You just need to find a player who can play the job effectively which is absolutely 100% completely doable
You are talking to most Black Mages that have done 570+ DPS in T11 pre-echo and are telling you the feel gimped because mechanics screw them more. Unless it's a 100% turret fight for BLM, this job will lack behind. The only reason why Summoner was behind BLM in FCoB was mana issues. We want balance and 2.5 like Sleight said was the closest we ever got. Personally, I am not saying I can't Alexander Savage as BLM. I'm just saying my group is pretty hardcore and they'll want the quickest clear and so am I so my options as their caster is to pick the most viable job. This is about our pride (At least for me it's my pride to be able to contribute as much as possible for my group) that leads me to go Summoner. I went Summoner for Savage T7 when my group asked, I did not question why or argued with them.

On this, my memories are fuzzy a bit but when Monk got buffed. Didn't they increase the time on Grease Lightning and increase the timer of Astral Fire + Umbral Ice could be a great help for us. I don't want more potency, jsut a way to make the rotation more viable with mechanics.