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  1. #201
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    Aikaal's Avatar
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    Aikaal Leyma
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Garotte14 View Post
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    Alright, I'll explain a bit. Farm t5,you would flare when conflated first. It was a dps increase so I don't know what you are talking about.

    When I say progression, I mean ilevel 150 gear with 170 weapon. Your dps is really low compared to a group full 180. Again, this is progression and you could grind the gear first but you aim to kill it fast. My group had dps with 148 weapons, dps was really tight and it was progression and should have I ignored mechanics, we would have got several Vuln up because my group was undergeared.

    When people did FCoB in 110 gear, do you think that BLM was ignoring mechanics and mass AoE kill all bennus in T12? No, he was respecting mechanics because he couldn't afford the risk.

    What's goinna happen during Alexander? We'll have the highest level possible that will be really low gear for the turn but groups will still go in. Not gonna ignore mechanics bro. I'm sorry.
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    Last edited by Aikaal; 06-28-2015 at 06:43 PM.

  2. #202
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    Twilite's Avatar
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    Miranda Madison
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    Twintania
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    White Mage Lv 80
    ..I don't care how strong I am, I always respect mechanics. When if/I did die, it's usually because I was late on something, or I died as a result of someone else screw up. That said.. I hate ramuh ex phase 2.

    Running CT is hilarious because mechanics are thrown out the window, and I do look kind of silly being one of the few still respecting them lol.
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  3. #203
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    Kikosho's Avatar
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    Shanoa Varhara
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    Excalibur
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    Alot of stuff.
    Honestly, it seems like you're not listening to all the counter arguments. If the other dps can cover the adds, even during progression, then there is no harm for you to ignore the adds and continue on the boss. This makes it so overall raid dps is higher since you won't be losing casts. If you still want to "not gonna ignore mechanics bro", then you really need to coordinate with your team so you don't lose casts during adds. Something simple as marking the add that you are casting on to let your team know you got it covered is a start.
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  4. #204
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    Aikaal's Avatar
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    Aikaal Leyma
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kikosho View Post
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    I hear them. At this point I feel nobody actually care that people progressed on this in iLevel 150 with a iLevel 170 weapon and had much lower gear compare to most groups. Because you can ignore mechanics doesn't mean you have to ignore them. This is a really bad habit. My team would tell me to shut up and kill the adds. Makes sense since it's a DPS check.

    I have to say this once again it seems. I pointed it in a progression scenario, gear or not shouldn't matter. In farm, it won't matter because you are farming it. In progression, it does even if they can clear it without you. Because you have not clear the fight yet. This is an unnecessary stress for your group. Performances and success > DPS in progression. I'm all ears about numbers on farm content. I have been going crazy in FCoB with numbers on farm content But I can tell you my first T13 clear I was in the range of 470-480 DPS as BLM which is low. But I dealt with mechanics and lived with it.

    And to come back to the main argument which is SMN vs BLM in progression. SMN deals with mechanics a lot easier than BLM and they have the same DPS. So the choice is obvious for a group aiming to clear. If you run with friends and you play wte you want, go ahead and play BLM. But ignoring mechanics to get more DPS should never be a thing UNLESS you actually hit the enrage and you were missing DPS which I assume it did not happen for anyone.

    *EDITS*

    I mean guys. If you trully have too much dps for adds. Why don't you let your melee stick on the boss and let the ranged and the caster deal with them without having your melee move. They have higher DPS so it's only smart to give them priority if you are looking for bigger numbers.
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    Last edited by Aikaal; 06-29-2015 at 01:08 AM.

  5. #205
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    SusieChiii's Avatar
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    Susie Chiii
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    Moogle
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Why don't you let your melee stick on the boss and let the ranged and the caster deal with them without having your melee move.
    Ok, I've been reading this thread and while I do 100% agree with what you said here, I (personally) am not going to rule BLM out when it comes to progression until Alexander is out and we can actually see what it's like in those instances.

    Also, different raid groups work in different ways so I don't think it's right to assume anyone is causing any issue in their raid group if everyone in the group knows what's happening and is okay with it.

    Yes BLM is kind of iffy right now in content but they will make changes and (hopefully) fix some of the current issues.
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  6. #206
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    Xisin Fendada
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    Sargatanas
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    I really, really don't want blm changed unless its a mobility buff or enochian QoL changes. Seriously, its a power house... With a bard casting foe its top single target dps, on ravana ex it feels great when you learn the choreography of the fight. Like maybe adding 2-3 second to AF or something.... smn may need toned down though? who knows...

    The problem is, is not knowing a fight really bombs blm dps, even in bismarck ex i put up nice numbers now.
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  7. #207
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    MistyMew's Avatar
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    Misty Mew
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    Hyperion
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Meleoffs View Post
    Can you stand still for as long as you would like in the new fights though?
    lol no

    not impressed with blm at all atm
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  8. #208
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    HaroldSaxon's Avatar
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    Harold Saxon
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    Odin
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Xisin View Post
    I really, really don't want blm changed unless its a mobility buff or enochian QoL changes. Seriously, its a power house... With a bard casting foe its top single target dps, on ravana ex it feels great when you learn the choreography of the fight. Like maybe adding 2-3 second to AF or something.... smn may need toned down though? who knows...

    The problem is, is not knowing a fight really bombs blm dps, even in bismarck ex i put up nice numbers now.
    BLM with Foe's is not greater than Monk. And if we are including other classes, what about Monk with a Machinist physical DPS buff?

    Sure, the numbers we can put up compared to 2.x are nice, but that hardly matters. What matters now is the comparison between classes.
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  9. #209
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    OneWingedSora's Avatar
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    Mala Liath
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    Balmung
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon View Post
    BLM with Foe's is not greater than Monk.
    Monk isn't even highest melee ST right now. And BLM with Foes is most definitely higher than Monk on a dummy. I would rework my rotation
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    Last edited by OneWingedSora; 06-29-2015 at 03:30 AM.
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  10. #210
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    TraeSnow's Avatar
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    Deo Luminai
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    Adamantoise
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    I wonder where all the hate for BLM was when they were replacing SMN in FCoB?
    BLMs didn't seem to have a problem with them being more optimal for FCoB than a SMN was - but wait! Now that 60 content is here and 2 fights require movement, which SMN has always naturally done better than a BLM, BLMs are having a fit.
    Don't judge your job based on two EX primals.
    BLM are a still a single target powerhouse - and they still own the title of consistent AoE damage. (SMN only has burst AoE)
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