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  1. #1061
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    VitalSuit's Avatar
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    Tarra Netsky
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    Behemoth
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    So does everyone just keep using armor crush to keep Huton up or do they recast Huton every once in a while? Personally (I haven't really made a rotation yet just from playing) I'll use armor crush up to 3 times before I recast huton.
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  2. #1062
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    Allyrion's Avatar
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    Allyrion Windwalker
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    Yojimbo
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    Samurai Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by VitalSuit View Post
    So does everyone just keep using armor crush to keep Huton up or do they recast Huton every once in a while? Personally (I haven't really made a rotation yet just from playing) I'll use armor crush up to 3 times before I recast huton.
    You lose 40 potency using Armor Crush over Aeolian Edge.
    But you lose 360 potency casting Huton instead of Raiton (240 if you use Fuma Shrunken).
    More loss if your 3-mudra Huton eats into your GCD.

    So I don't think it's ever worth it to favor recasting Huton over extending it with Armor Crush when you're actually fighting.
    There are certain lulls in a fight where you recast it because there's nothing to attack and a full refresh might be more beneficial than waiting for a last second extension.

    Armor Crush does enough damage (more than Dancing Edge, less than AE) with the added Huton extension to make it always worth using.
    Not extending Huton would have to give you 6 extra Aeolian Edges to make up for one Fuma Shuriken you lose each time you refreshed manually.
    But that's not possible, and it's much worse with Raiton.
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  3. #1063
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    AzureZenorag13's Avatar
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    Eirika Kinslayer
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    Ultros
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    Ninja Lv 60
    I'm only at lvl 56, -so I don't have Duality or DWD- so I know what I say wont hold much weight, but I like to refresh Huton with AC at 40 seconds, I notice at my level that I'm able to do so with out too many problems. My rotation goes like this, Huton as I run up to boss then SE>B4B>GS>IR>AE>Jug>Mut>Mug>SE>SF>SE>GS>AE>SE>Suiton>GS>TA>AE>Kassatsu>SE>Raiton>SF>SE>GS>AC>Mut. From there I refresh Mut, and SF as needed and AC at 40 secs. I Raiton when up, Suiton when TA is up, and Kassatsu Raiton when both available, and of course use Invigorate when appropriate. I use Huton as I'm running up to the boss because I don't expect the tank to wait around for me, so I learned to adapt my rotation.
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    Last edited by AzureZenorag13; 06-27-2015 at 04:14 PM.

  4. #1064
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    Venom's Avatar
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    Omega Venom
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    Cerberus
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    Archer Lv 72
    So whats the news on skillspeed v crit v det on Ninja?
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  5. #1065
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    Viridiana's Avatar
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    Aria Placida
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    Lamia
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    Ninja Lv 88
    Quote Originally Posted by Venom View Post
    So whats the news on skillspeed v crit v det on Ninja?
    Same as it is on every other class. If you want to know how they compare, we first need to know how they scale. We don't yet, because we all have a divided focus.
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  6. #1066
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    Allyrion's Avatar
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    Allyrion Windwalker
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    I don't think the parsers have updated for those changes yet either.
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  7. #1067
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    Arkenne's Avatar
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    Aiot O'lein
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    Cactuar
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    Rogue Lv 80
    Ohh, the NIN thread is alive again. Guess we have not much to complain about other than Mug and its life vamp properties, which I remembered by reading the skills again now in Heavensward (seriously, I totally forgot Mug can do that).

    Quote Originally Posted by AzureZenorag13 View Post
    Where is DE??

    I suppose that rotation is with a fellow NIN in DE duty or a WAR, right?

    Im still at 57 because Im stubbornly lvling solely through MSQ, Hunting bill marks and Sidequests. But I can already see that Duality and DwD wont do much to change our rotations, specially because they clearly meant to enhance our already existing rotation.

    Armor Crush is the core of our change and I gotta admit I feel it HARD when I lose this skill because of a level synch. Its amazing, to say the least. I know I said refreshing Huton is possible within a minimum of 18 seconds, but I suggest against. You'll feel hardpressed. So Im trying to keep it at 30 seconds as the "next-finisher-to-do".

    Otherwise you also risk losing Huton because the boss went away at last moment and felt like doing flashy cool things... looking at you, Ravana ¬__¬

    Or the mob died too quickly and next one was a tad too far away. Also there is a risk muscle memory will strike in and end up throwing a DE or AE instead by accident :|
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  8. #1068
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    Allyrion Windwalker
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    The best part about Armor Crush is its flexibility.
    There's no loss of dps if you use it under 40s left of Fuuton.

    Like I said before, it's good to keep that buffer of 20-30s for fight mechanics or any mess-ups.
    You can also let it drain a bit more and get AE in if you're in a burn phase or you know the fight well enough to be sure you'll have time to extend it.

    So I don't think we should make hard and fast rules about when to extend Fuuton.
    That doesn't give value to Armor Crush's excellent flexibility.
    Anytime after the 40s mark is acceptable, and you can adjust based on the fight and even more importantly - buffs.

    Obviously, if you do it over 40s then you won't get the full 30s it's meant to give you.
    So I guess it goes without saying not to do it if you have over 40s left. But I said it anyway!
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  9. #1069
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    Arkenne's Avatar
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    Aiot O'lein
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Rogue Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Allyrion View Post
    Armor Crush Flexibility
    Yup, gotta agree with that, it is a very flexible skill. No real need to use it over 40s Huton (unless mob is dying right there).

    Looking at MNK, DRG, BLM and BRD. We really got lucky in the flexibility department, huh?
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  10. #1070
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    aaa i wish i could hit dummies to practice, but mudra lag in open world is like 500x worse atm
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