The Ninja Superthread

[FreyrPrime]

I'm beginning to grow Weary of Ninja. It feels exactly like old school feral druid to me: Dancing Edge = Mangle, Shadow Fang = Shred, Mutilate = RIP, Huiton = Savage Roar.

Juggling the debuffs, dots, and buffs while trying to fit in your nuke filler (Aolean Edge = Ferocious Bite) is exhausting. There's no breathing room, it feels like you can't make a single mistake or your damage suffers cripplingly. However unlike the Feral Druid, which was tedious enough as is, we have to weave in all these extra oGCD cooldowns and abilities (Ninjitsus, Jug, Mug, DwD, Duality, etc..)

This seems to be the world all Melee live in at the moment. Dragoon is equally as punishing with how tight BotD makes our rotation and the requirement to hit double oGCDs per GCD, and MNK is still dependent on GL3 and everything that entails.

That said melee is still king of the hill, although SMN is breathing down our necks.

P.S: bonus points for being an ex-Feral

[Lurel]

I'm beginning to grow Weary of Ninja. It feels exactly like old school feral druid to me: Dancing Edge = Mangle, Shadow Fang = Shred, Mutilate = RIP, Huiton = Savage Roar.

Juggling the debuffs, dots, and buffs while trying to fit in your nuke filler (Aolean Edge = Ferocious Bite) is exhausting. There's no breathing room, it feels like you can't make a single mistake or your damage suffers cripplingly. However unlike the Feral Druid, which was tedious enough as is, we have to weave in all these extra oGCD cooldowns and abilities (Ninjitsus, Jug, Mug, DwD, Duality, etc..)

Except as feral you had a lot of time to just sit there and auto attack while your energy pooled enough to use abilities.

[Dante_V]

Usually I just do the pass thru trick for aeolian. Just run thru the target and trigger the move on the back side. So long as it connects on the rear you will get the damage bonus. This doesn't work on very large enemies however as their hit box is too large and they turn before you can get the move off.

[Arkenne]

Trick Attack by running through

This is pretty feasable for Trick Attack as it is an oGCD. Its a tad harder to pull off with AE of course, but not impossible.
To do this with big enemies tho, you have to be inside the enemy hitbox near its central point. then run just barely past its center to its back, also while inside the hitbox.

[Venom]

now we can extend huton what do we do with the extra mudras? doton or raiton? which one is best DOT?

[Dante_V]

Doton should only be used if there are multiple targets who will be alive for the entire duration of the AOE/DOT affect. So if the targets die before halfway thru duration then you are losing potential dps.

Raiton and Katon generally produce more dps in most situations.

Neither Katon or Doton should ever be used on single targets as it is a dps loss.

[VitalSuit]

I know this is a stupid question but has anyone done a parse without using AC?

I know it'll most likely be a dps loss but I'd like to see how big of a dps loss it is.

[Aiurily]

rather than look at dps numbers for the most rng affected class in the game as far as parses go, in 2.x i simply just got the average damage of DE, compared it to the average damage of AE and then found the dps gain/difference if i simply replaced all the DEs with AEs using the average. most of the time it was around 2%. not sure if there's a flaw with that approach, but +30 from not having eye applied seems a bit high (you'd DE like, 10 times or so in a 3m parse? 600 potency wouldn't spike your DPS up by that much in a 3m parse)

[Zamii]

rather than look at dps numbers for the most rng affected class in the game as far as parses go, in 2.x i simply just got the average damage of DE, compared it to the average damage of AE and then found the dps gain/difference if i simply replaced all the DEs with AEs using the average. most of the time it was around 2%. not sure if there's a flaw with that approach, but +30 from not having eye applied seems a bit high (you'd DE like, 10 times or so in a 3m parse? 600 potency wouldn't spike your DPS up by that much in a 3m parse)

you'de be surprised how quickly they add up, that approach for working out the dps is exactly how it should be

[Arkenne]

Damage gain by replacing DE

Well, of the 3 tanks, we know WARs are our buddies.
We give them Goads, Aggro-build on things for them so they can DPS and also can mitigate those damn healers that Medica II pre-pull, damned they be.

Least they could do is keep that Eye running for us :v
It is a notisable and immediate DPS gain as well!

If we take the NIN rotation considering MU as the break point. Chances for DE/AE/AC happens from 3 to 4 times every 30 seconds. So in 3 minutes, about 18 to 24 oportunities, from which at least 4 were AC to extend and keep Huton, and 9 to 11 were DE to keep the debuff going. We are talking of an extra 540~660 potency in the same window by replacing DE for AE.

Of course I am just theorycrafting here, in reality you will throw more than 4 ACs and 11 DEs in these 3 minutes. Tho AC will become a frigging ton much easer to wind in without the worry to mantain DE.

Now that Im at it... since in the very same 3 minutes AC can happen at least 4 times and ended up replacing AE in such oportunities, we are losing at least 120 potency in contrast to our previous rotation... but since we can now wind in a Shuriken instead of a Huton... we have a minimal gain of 720 potency, for a 600 potency in total... and even more if you can use Raiton.............

Damn D:

On paper looks sweet.