The Ninja Superthread

[Aiurily]

I think you guys are vastly overestimating the difference good mudra speed makes >.>

i feel like we're the only ones who think this

There's also no real solution to it unless they make it so you can go like dancin > jin > spinning edge > ten > gust slash > chi > ninjutsu or something would be the only viable solution imo. Client side control would just mean people would just mash 1 button and do 30 raitons in a row

the issue with this kind of fix is that it delays your ninjutsu rotation if you break it into pieces in between gcd. it makes it so you that you end up having problems with huton falling off on your kassatsu rotations at the bare minimum

[Massterchef]

I think you guys are vastly overestimating the difference good mudra speed makes >.>

It's atleast a 30-40 DPS difference depending on the severity of delay. I've had major delay on high quality network wifi yet when I play on Ethernet on a college campus with subpar connection, mudras are fine and I can optimize to some extent. DPS in this game is very dependent on latency and when you have subpar latency in comparison to JP servers with mudra delay, there will be a noticeable gap between NA and JP DPS on ninja.

[Odowla]

It's atleast a 30-40 DPS difference depending on the severity of delay. I've had major delay on high quality network wifi yet when I play on Ethernet on a college campus with subpar connection, mudras are fine and I can optimize to some extent. DPS in this game is very dependent on latency and when you have subpar latency in comparison to JP servers with mudra delay, there will be a noticeable gap between NA and JP DPS on ninja.

GCD DPS is affected by latency too, i have a friend who plays from Korea and after 3:00 I'm 1.5 GCDs ahead of him, so it does add up as well.

[SunnyHirose]

People do put far too much emphasis on it, but it can still be a systematic 1 or 2 percent out of your GCD rotation. That's pretty significant.

[Judge_Xero]

People do put far too much emphasis on it, but it can still be a systematic 1 or 2 percent out of your GCD rotation. That's pretty significant.

On average I lose 2 GCD for each Huton and Suiton. So 4 GCD/min if I'm lucky. I can't use Raiton over Fuma ever. The loss of that many skills causes my rotation to not be ideal.
If I end up with Hyoton over Huton due to the lag. (Huton is registered but Hyoton goes off instead) then I lose a ton of damage for those 20s or waste Kassatsu.

On average I am losing anywhere between 60-75 DPS just on missing skills from a delayed GCD. ~1400 Potency/min.

So around 15% of my damage.

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@ Odowla

So in on a perfect (for me) run, I am losing 15% of my damage right off the top, so IMO I don't feel it's being exaggerated at all.

I just feel like acting like its the end-all to Ninja DPS and the whole reason Chloro Cradle does his rediculous numbers is completely and 100% on his lack of mudra delay instead

It's not the only factor, no. But it is a large portion. I am sure there are others that are just as skilled that are unable to pull those numbers, simply due to Mudra Delay.

[SunnyHirose]

On average I lose 2 GCD for each Huton and Suiton.

That's obscene. I know West Coast players that don't have it that bad. Even so, that's more like 12% of your GCDs, and that's not 100% of your DPS.

Involuntary bunnies and other disasters are certainly a loss of DPS, but I don't think that's typical to these discussions. A lot of players have no hope of becoming Hokage even with 100% accurate ninjutsu registration.

[PROBOUND]

Guys, at the end of the day SE said they were looking into it at the very least. So theres that.

Switch classes if it bothers you that much.

[Ephier]

Guys, at the end of the day SE said they were looking into it at the very least. So theres that.

Switch classes if it bothers you that much.

I like the class too much to let a problem like that go.

[Judge_Xero]

That's obscene. I know West Coast players that don't have it that bad. Even so, that's more like 12% of your GCDs, and that's not 100% of your DPS.

Tell me about it.

Yeah with the possibility of my gear giving me 28 GCDs, losing 4 is more like 14%. Then the loss of Raiton vs Futon where applicable and just having my rotation messed up from the timing of everything being off.

I know 14% GCD loss doesn't = 14% DPS. AA damage is still going and it's based on the average potency loss during that time. But overall for me, that's what it amounts to considering the snowball effect that happens.

[Odowla]

I play from 3,000km away and I can weave a full huton pretty often. i really do feel bad for you

also i was making the assumption of ninjutsu being server side, it would make the problen worse since again, it could just tell you no, or, give the same effect as mudras are now.. so you would possibly get more bunnies.

easiest way to not let it bother you is to just deal with it.. ninjustus are such a small % of you dps, exempting TA and Huton that missing once in awhile isnt that bad tbh.