Raid runs and gear drops

[Rogue]

/sigh i really didnt make my point clear did i?

what i was trying to get across is that a "speed run" probably isnt the best means to establish "difficulty"..

how many youtube videos have you seen of full archer parties?

how many have you seen of full melee parties?

i think the proof is in the pudding

like i said i havent been in a full party of archers but i imagine if i did i would be able to do a speed run.. I DONT WANT TO DO THAT because i like the people in my LS and i want to help everyone. i could give two craps about the sword but im sure others do and having this kind of mechanic revolving around acquiring it might not be the best means.

i accept it is perfectly possible for full melee to complete a speed run, but if im forced to take different players in my LS without bias to job class or skill/experience it is entirely likely that an archer will be more usefull and more successfull because of fundamental reasons (like being out of AOE range)

for example if i have a pug and an archer of EQUAL skill.

keftenk i would be more willing to listen to you if you werent such a giant douche, you have tried to belittle me since your first post.

mog you say dont touch it but ive seen the videos of your runs and impressive as they are your guilty of taking archers, obviously there must be a reason for this right?

try leading my LS on a speed run with the unbias i have stated above and see if you dont change your tune. the fact only 8 people can enter at a time is allready a huge downer for an "LS event"

[Zdenka]

what i was trying to get across is that a "speed run" probably isnt the best means to establish "difficulty"..

According to Lodestone, you haven't even beat Batraal yet so why are you worrying about a speed run? I'd be more worried with refining your tactic to beat the dungeon instead of doing /panic about how you will beat it in 25 minutes.

You can clear the dungeon killing every single mob... its possible (Doctor Mog's LS did this I think) so yes... to just CLEAR the dungeon killing mobs is a viable tactic, but under other restraints such as time you must expect your tactics to change.

Here are the helpful tips to beat the dungeon.

1. Learn hate management skills (healers and tank mostly) so that you aren't getting threat pulled at the start of bosses.
2. Equip self heals for non-mages.
3. Acquire HQ gear where possible.
4. Equip 3 AoE WS's. (These are considered DoT for trash... it doesn't mean the actual spell DoT's)
5. Learn what does the best damage vs Boss type mobs Ogre and Batraal.
6. Learn where safe zones are vs Ghost on Batraal and Ogre... for this meele means to find where you get hit the least.

OK now that you have some tips for just actually clearing it... here are tips for speed run. Its meant to be close for people with 3+ jobs at 50 so you need to realize thats how SE designed it to be.

1. Everyone must have Quickstride.
2. Mages must rotate sleeps (sleeping Orobon is critical).
3. Keep stoneskin and shockspikes up.
4. Assign correct number of people to each blue circle.
5. You want Ogre dead around 49 minute mark (typically a 4 minute kill or quicker is desired.... time your normal run kills)
6. Rotate Leg Sweeps on skeleton pack.

And for when you beat batraal... here are tips to beat him faster.

7. Batraal P1: AE the first skeleton set on top of Batraal
8. Batraal P2/3: Have meele+ranged tank the skeletons to the West and AE them... Your meele SHOULD be able to stay alive without any mages healing them. If your meele/archer cannot solo skeletons during normal run without absolutely needing cures from mages, they can figure out how to do it better.
9. Tank tips: tank batraal in 1 spot after P2 starts (by pond works best for us) and your tank must dance the AE WS's in P3... this makes it tons easier.