Raid runs and gear drops

[Rogue]

/sigh i really didnt make my point clear did i?

what i was trying to get across is that a "speed run" probably isnt the best means to establish "difficulty"..

how many youtube videos have you seen of full archer parties?

how many have you seen of full melee parties?

i think the proof is in the pudding

like i said i havent been in a full party of archers but i imagine if i did i would be able to do a speed run.. I DONT WANT TO DO THAT because i like the people in my LS and i want to help everyone. i could give two craps about the sword but im sure others do and having this kind of mechanic revolving around acquiring it might not be the best means.

i accept it is perfectly possible for full melee to complete a speed run, but if im forced to take different players in my LS without bias to job class or skill/experience it is entirely likely that an archer will be more usefull and more successfull because of fundamental reasons (like being out of AOE range)

for example if i have a pug and an archer of EQUAL skill.

keftenk i would be more willing to listen to you if you werent such a giant douche, you have tried to belittle me since your first post.

mog you say dont touch it but ive seen the videos of your runs and impressive as they are your guilty of taking archers, obviously there must be a reason for this right?

try leading my LS on a speed run with the unbias i have stated above and see if you dont change your tune. the fact only 8 people can enter at a time is allready a huge downer for an "LS event"

[Zdenka]

what i was trying to get across is that a "speed run" probably isnt the best means to establish "difficulty"..

According to Lodestone, you haven't even beat Batraal yet so why are you worrying about a speed run? I'd be more worried with refining your tactic to beat the dungeon instead of doing /panic about how you will beat it in 25 minutes.

You can clear the dungeon killing every single mob... its possible (Doctor Mog's LS did this I think) so yes... to just CLEAR the dungeon killing mobs is a viable tactic, but under other restraints such as time you must expect your tactics to change.

Here are the helpful tips to beat the dungeon.

1. Learn hate management skills (healers and tank mostly) so that you aren't getting threat pulled at the start of bosses.
2. Equip self heals for non-mages.
3. Acquire HQ gear where possible.
4. Equip 3 AoE WS's. (These are considered DoT for trash... it doesn't mean the actual spell DoT's)
5. Learn what does the best damage vs Boss type mobs Ogre and Batraal.
6. Learn where safe zones are vs Ghost on Batraal and Ogre... for this meele means to find where you get hit the least.

OK now that you have some tips for just actually clearing it... here are tips for speed run. Its meant to be close for people with 3+ jobs at 50 so you need to realize thats how SE designed it to be.

1. Everyone must have Quickstride.
2. Mages must rotate sleeps (sleeping Orobon is critical).
3. Keep stoneskin and shockspikes up.
4. Assign correct number of people to each blue circle.
5. You want Ogre dead around 49 minute mark (typically a 4 minute kill or quicker is desired.... time your normal run kills)
6. Rotate Leg Sweeps on skeleton pack.

And for when you beat batraal... here are tips to beat him faster.

7. Batraal P1: AE the first skeleton set on top of Batraal
8. Batraal P2/3: Have meele+ranged tank the skeletons to the West and AE them... Your meele SHOULD be able to stay alive without any mages healing them. If your meele/archer cannot solo skeletons during normal run without absolutely needing cures from mages, they can figure out how to do it better.
9. Tank tips: tank batraal in 1 spot after P2 starts (by pond works best for us) and your tank must dance the AE WS's in P3... this makes it tons easier.

[Speeral]

To the op two things first. This game is about having multiple classes levelled to make you better at your primary role, which also allows for freedom in setting skills for different range of playstyle. Secondly just bc you don't have an ideal set up to do a five chest run doesn't mean you can't try something different? Does it?

As well id like to point out there needs to be the element of challenge to give us a carrot to chase in the long run.

Personally i find this complaint somewhat fail. Because there is a slew of other gears u can get. You want the full win either go in with whats been tested or keep practising and adjusting until your group gets the fifth chest in a speed run.

[Washuu]

Rogue.... Knight? Are you batman?

[Scape]

There are monsters in corners and dead-ends in that place which have absolutely no point of even going to

meh, the place is really good exp if you are not 50 yet. You can kill for the whole hour straight and not run out of stuff to kill. I have killed everything on the first floor plenty of times.

[Grimoire]

It will probably get easier and faster once jobs are added.

[Corrderio]

It will probably get easier and faster once jobs are added.

Which we don't even have an ETA on

[Tezz_Xivectro]

I can't wait for jobs to come and dispel all these unrealistic "requirements" the community has been forcing on each other because of how unbalanced & annoying this dungeon was designed.

Gladiator has it hard. Some people even "requiring" Cure 3 (See: CON/THM R48 + many other classes) to even participate. I don't mind leveling certain classes to 20-25, but needing much higher than that (let alone multiple classes) will drive everyone away from this game. Not everyone wants to level everything, SE better address this quick.

[Kraggy]

SE better address this quick.

How do you propose SE 'address' elitist jerks and their asinine 'requirements'?

[Raze]

Gladiator has it hard. Some people even "requiring" Cure 3 (See: CON/THM R48 + many other classes) to even participate. I don't mind leveling certain classes to 20-25, but needing much higher than that (let alone multiple classes) will drive everyone away from this game. Not everyone wants to level everything, SE better address this quick.

I agree with this statement.