Raid runs and gear drops

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You're kidding right?

Are you so narrow minded to think that no one can beat the speed run with a melee in the setup? Unfortunately I can't provide a video, but not only has my linkshell beat the speed run with a couple of melee in a single run, we've even beaten the speed run with 6 (7+mule, the seventh dc'd at the Batraal cs; technically was a 7man kill all the way up to Batraal).

As for your comment about the instance requiring you to implement virtually zero tactics; forcefully running through 20 mobs to sit at a circle to depop them is a tactic. Choosing to kill them one by one is a tactic, choosing to aoe them all at once is a tactic. I just provided you with three separate tactics, guess what, there are more, what the hell are you even talking about?

Actually, don't answer that, I've noticed you clearly have no idea what you're even talking about. You haven't even beat Batraal yourself. It's called a speed run kill for a reason, it requires SPEED (which incidentally calls for a lot more things then just running through mobs). Even in SE's video of Darkhold, they employ a tactic which they just run to the circle to depop mobs (it doesn't actually show them depopping the mobs, but they aren't fighting the mobs--instead, running to the circle and ignoring the mobs which are attacking them).



The people complaining are just blinded by their own ignorance. They assume one way is the only way, so they start raging when that "one way" doesn't include any of the jobs they've leveled. They don't even have the mind set or decency to even think that you can do it any other way. Multishot sure is far from fair, it's incredibly over-powered. However because multishot is overpowered doesn't make it a must-have.

Victimize II is pretty strong now as well, you can see numbers as high as 600 on not only Batraal but Ogre as well. Chaos Thrust is XIV's execute button (just not spammable w), I wonder why people don't even think about how strong some of these abilities really are. Oh, that's right, because they don't even try......

There really isn't even an issue of having sub-class abilities and traits. Granted some of them are really nice to have, but a lot of them are within the first 20 levels of a job which takes 1-2 hours to achieve these days. If someone is raging about not able to have Punishing Barbs or Leg Sweep, then that person is probably trolling.

SOOOOO what your saying is, there is a way to clear the whole dungeon while also killing all the mobs between bosses? Because if not, then killing the mobs isn't a VIABLE tactic. A narrow minded person would not have tried these runs with multiple party setups before posting a request for information. You on the other hand clearly seem to fit that bill.
And my post was actually about requesting helpful ideas that detail how to beat it without the arc, mage setup, not having some giant douchebag get on and state that there ls is the bomb for beating it 6 different ways and that I suck ass and don't know what I am talking about because I havent beaten the last boss yet. You are the textbook definition of a tool my friend. Your contribution to the community here is astounding.

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SOOOOO what your saying is, there is a way to clear the whole dungeon while also killing all the mobs between bosses? Because if not, then killing the mobs isn't a VIABLE tactic. And my post was actually about requesting helpful ideas that detail how to beat it without the arc, mage setup, not having some giant douchebag get on and state that there ls is the bomb for beating it 6 different ways and that I suck ass and don't know what I am talking about because I havent beaten the last boss yet. You are the textbook definition of a tool my friend. Your contribution to the community here is astounding.

All of the monsters in between each boss isn't even required to kill in order to get to the boss. There are monsters in corners and dead-ends in that place which have absolutely no point of even going to. Killing the mobs that you absolutely have to run through? I'm sure you could do it. I'm not entirely sure why you would even want to stop every so often to kill a bunch of mobs which have a tendency to leash on their own regardless where you take them for a speed run. Yet, you could do it at or before every major circle you need to pop though, first circle would be ~10 mobs or so, second ~5-9, third could be upwards to 15, but as little as 7. Then the fourth varys depending on mob placement. Everything after that you kill anyways before you end up at Batraal (for speed run).

Not only myself, but others have given the OP ideas of what other classes can or could be doing if they can't or won't bolster the Archer/Mage army. His response was for us to go away lol. Others responses to try and help the OP:

1. Have melee set cures and other actions to help thier MP, Leg Sweep will stun AOEs and Melee are not bound they can run when AOEs are running, I have done runs with 2 melees and had no problems with MP for the whole run.

2. Burst damage doesnt matter, what matters is DoT especially on the stronger mobs.

You are the type of person that could kill the game because you are so close minded, if mobs have AoEs you have to use ARCs so according to you all endgame will be ARC or gtfo because all endgame will have AOEs, you need to think outside the box to beable to play the game effectively, AOEs dont mean ranged damage only you think of ways around it.

Yes there will be unstunnable AOEs that can one shot melee which need to be hit with mages or ranged but there is no place in the Darkhold where this is the case.

People who say ARC onry so they dont get hit by AOE need to learn the basic mechanics of the game, i.e Stun interupts attacks and leg sweep is only r16 LNC so it will take no time for melee to get.

My response to help the OP:

Burst down all the bones at once, no need to spread out or kill a couple at a time. Archers have wide volley and an array of other AOEs they can use (Leg Sweep from LNC is boss btw; conal AOE stun (Lv 16 LNC, probably would only take an hour to get to that level); PGL Aura Pulse is actually stronger then Archer AOE for that kind of burst vs bones. As long as MRD is in steadfast, they'll destroy anything that comes in their AOE range (i.e. bring the skeletons to the MRD's)

And if you want to maximize the DPS, anyone with Line of Fire use it, Shock Spikes II use it, Punishing Barbs use it.

There were more even, some LNC's chimed in and commented how you can deal with some of the massive AOE that needs to take place, etc. It's not like we didn't offer our assistance, the OP just is tunnel visioning on the issue.