Raid runs and gear drops

[Alise]

During all the patches before 1.18. People complain that there is no challenge content and no end-game content. No goal to achievement by ranking up. There were also many thread saying that NM need no strategy and any noob can finish it.

Now they offer something little challenge and people says that it is too hard for new players... <_>


well, if he is new player, then he shouldn't suppose to be able to win against currently hardest content to begin with. What about more practice or rank up sub-classes? Rank up sub-classes could be addition to the lack of current goal too. it is nice to see something like "This dungeon require this skill, so I should rank up this class to get the requirement skill and then get into the challenge again" instead of "This dungeon require nothing, let beat it in one go and back to play another game"

[Haji]

Alise: this is not about whether or not the dungeon is difficult or not, but whether the classes are balanced or not. Some people feel (I can't really comment, as I did not do the raid) that only certain setups work, making some (most actually) combat classes irrelevant.

Also I strongly disagree that forcing players to level (to quite high level actually) subclasses to obtain a couple of skills is good think. It does not make game harder after all; just more tedious.

With any luck the new job system will adress some of those problems.

[Corrderio]

Alise: this is not about whether or not the dungeon is difficult or not, but whether the classes are balanced or not. Some people feel (I can't really comment, as I did not do the raid) that only certain setups work, making some (most actually) combat classes irrelevant.

It's more of a community issue, but I'm with the OP a bit since this "ARC only" mindset on my server pisses me off to no end.

I'd kill for a server transfer option at this point.

[Chain]

That's where they failed horribly with the armory system. They like to pretend leveling another job is optional to make yourself stronger, well in a sense I guess you could say that, but in reality its 100% required. Good luck soloing to 50 on a glad with no support spells.

[Rhomagus]

Goes back to the days of FFXI player elitism where if you didn't have a particular main and/or subjob you weren't invited to parties or story missions. People either picked the wrong job or were new to game and didn't have all the proper (according to players only) subjobs leveled yet.

Players in FFXI boxed the job/subjob up too much into "this is your only role and you can't play it any other way (*coughRDMcough*)

I totally agree with this statement and also worried about the future of XIV because of its truthful basis.

[Rhomagus]

It's more of a community issue, but I'm with the OP a bit since this "ARC only" mindset on my server pisses me off to no end.

I'd kill for a server transfer option at this point.

I don't think it's just your server. It's the playerbase as a whole. Unfortunately I'm beginning to see the attitude infiltrate the linkshell I'm in as well. XIV's slowly turning into another job pardon the pun. I'm hoping to find some more open minded individuals that like experimentation and aren't afraid to fail. Especially if I'm able to repair all their gear anyways.

Unfortunately, elitists in the Square series of MMOs aren't actually elitists. On the contrary, they actually are the ones who are able to .dat mine, circumvent intended mechanics, and procure easy mode from an otherwise interesting play experience. Raptor burn parties, ARC/MAGE burns, and mindless grinding seem to be the signs of most of the elitists that I've personally come in contact with. I never took that word to mean that though. I always figured it was a person who held a higher set of standards not necessarily efficiency over difficulty. In my opinion, completing runs outside of the standard method would be more "elite" than "everyone must do this like everyone else" but that's just not the case in XI or, so it seems, XIV.

[Scape]

No matter what they do with the classes/jobs, there will always be a favored set up that is perceived as being the most ifficient. This happens in all games. The problem is more with the people playing IMO. EVERY ONE wants the class they are playing to be the best.

[Keftenk]

I have started a topic identicle to this here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...002#post303002

So those of you bashing Rogue saying its simply not true, pony up some proof of what you say in the form of a video. Because so far, the only successful runs I have found on youtube include the setup mentioned above. Why SE chose to make a dungeon this way is beyond me, but creating something for high level players that requires you to impliment virtually zero tactics or means of customizing your own runs along with no effort required to actually FIGHT your way to the bosses within the time limit is a total joke.

You're kidding right?

Are you so narrow minded to think that no one can beat the speed run with a melee in the setup? Unfortunately I can't provide a video, but not only has my linkshell beat the speed run with a couple of melee in a single run, we've even beaten the speed run with 6 (7+mule, the seventh dc'd at the Batraal cs; technically was a 7man kill all the way up to Batraal).

As for your comment about the instance requiring you to implement virtually zero tactics; forcefully running through 20 mobs to sit at a circle to depop them is a tactic. Choosing to kill them one by one is a tactic, choosing to aoe them all at once is a tactic. I just provided you with three separate tactics, guess what, there are more, what the hell are you even talking about?

Actually, don't answer that, I've noticed you clearly have no idea what you're even talking about. You haven't even beat Batraal yourself. It's called a speed run kill for a reason, it requires SPEED (which incidentally calls for a lot more things then just running through mobs). Even in SE's video of Darkhold, they employ a tactic which they just run to the circle to depop mobs (it doesn't actually show them depopping the mobs, but they aren't fighting the mobs--instead, running to the circle and ignoring the mobs which are attacking them).

Alise: this is not about whether or not the dungeon is difficult or not, but whether the classes are balanced or not. Some people feel (I can't really comment, as I did not do the raid) that only certain setups work, making some (most actually) combat classes irrelevant.

Also I strongly disagree that forcing players to level (to quite high level actually) subclasses to obtain a couple of skills is good think. It does not make game harder after all; just more tedious.

With any luck the new job system will adress some of those problems.

The people complaining are just blinded by their own ignorance. They assume one way is the only way, so they start raging when that "one way" doesn't include any of the jobs they've leveled. They don't even have the mind set or decency to even think that you can do it any other way. Multishot sure is far from fair, it's incredibly over-powered. However because multishot is overpowered doesn't make it a must-have.

Victimize II is pretty strong now as well, you can see numbers as high as 600 on not only Batraal but Ogre as well. Chaos Thrust is XIV's execute button (just not spammable w), I wonder why people don't even think about how strong some of these abilities really are. Oh, that's right, because they don't even try......

There really isn't even an issue of having sub-class abilities and traits. Granted some of them are really nice to have, but a lot of them are within the first 20 levels of a job which takes 1-2 hours to achieve these days. If someone is raging about not able to have Punishing Barbs or Leg Sweep, then that person is probably trolling.

[Hinoiri]

I don't think it's just your server. It's the playerbase as a whole. Unfortunately I'm beginning to see the attitude infiltrate the linkshell I'm in as well. XIV's slowly turning into another job pardon the pun. I'm hoping to find some more open minded individuals that like experimentation and aren't afraid to fail. Especially if I'm able to repair all their gear anyways.

Unfortunately, elitists in the Square series of MMOs aren't actually elitists. On the contrary, they actually are the ones who are able to .dat mine, circumvent intended mechanics, and procure easy mode from an otherwise interesting play experience. Raptor burn parties, ARC/MAGE burns, and mindless grinding seem to be the signs of most of the elitists that I've personally come in contact with. I never took that word to mean that though. I always figured it was a person who held a higher set of standards not necessarily efficiency over difficulty. In my opinion, completing runs outside of the standard method would be more "elite" than "everyone must do this like everyone else" but that's just not the case in XI or, so it seems, XIV.

Small plug here, but check out Onslaught. We're all about being laid back and chill, playing the game the way we want to.

[Biggs]

You're kidding right?

Are you so narrow minded to think that no one can beat the speed run with a melee in the setup? Unfortunately I can't provide a video, but not only has my linkshell beat the speed run with a couple of melee in a single run, we've even beaten the speed run with 6 (7+mule, the seventh dc'd at the Batraal cs; technically was a 7man kill all the way up to Batraal).

As for your comment about the instance requiring you to implement virtually zero tactics; forcefully running through 20 mobs to sit at a circle to depop them is a tactic. Choosing to kill them one by one is a tactic, choosing to aoe them all at once is a tactic. I just provided you with three separate tactics, guess what, there are more, what the hell are you even talking about?

Actually, don't answer that, I've noticed you clearly have no idea what you're even talking about. You haven't even beat Batraal yourself. It's called a speed run kill for a reason, it requires SPEED (which incidentally calls for a lot more things then just running through mobs). Even in SE's video of Darkhold, they employ a tactic which they just run to the circle to depop mobs (it doesn't actually show them depopping the mobs, but they aren't fighting the mobs--instead, running to the circle and ignoring the mobs which are attacking them).



The people complaining are just blinded by their own ignorance. They assume one way is the only way, so they start raging when that "one way" doesn't include any of the jobs they've leveled. They don't even have the mind set or decency to even think that you can do it any other way. Multishot sure is far from fair, it's incredibly over-powered. However because multishot is overpowered doesn't make it a must-have.

Victimize II is pretty strong now as well, you can see numbers as high as 600 on not only Batraal but Ogre as well. Chaos Thrust is XIV's execute button (just not spammable w), I wonder why people don't even think about how strong some of these abilities really are. Oh, that's right, because they don't even try......

There really isn't even an issue of having sub-class abilities and traits. Granted some of them are really nice to have, but a lot of them are within the first 20 levels of a job which takes 1-2 hours to achieve these days. If someone is raging about not able to have Punishing Barbs or Leg Sweep, then that person is probably trolling.

SOOOOO what your saying is, there is a way to clear the whole dungeon while also killing all the mobs between bosses? Because if not, then killing the mobs isn't a VIABLE tactic. A narrow minded person would not have tried these runs with multiple party setups before posting a request for information. You on the other hand clearly seem to fit that bill.
And my post was actually about requesting helpful ideas that detail how to beat it without the arc, mage setup, not having some giant douchebag get on and state that there ls is the bomb for beating it 6 different ways and that I suck ass and don't know what I am talking about because I havent beaten the last boss yet. You are the textbook definition of a tool my friend. Your contribution to the community here is astounding.