Raid runs and gear drops

[Delsus]

ignorance is bliss. now lets go in the way back machine and complain why my dragoon cant get a invite to a divine might pt. i mean come on se, drgs need a bushinomimi or suppanomimi too.

My dragoon did about 4 years ago before it was 75, it was my only job leveled at that time, so much fun.

[DoctorMog]

Heaven forbid a casual cant get every item in the game..

2 items out of how many hundreds of items?

Leave it as is SE.

Mog

[Sav]

Heaven forbid a casual cant get every item in the game..

2 items out of how many hundreds of items?

Leave it as is SE.

Mog

Reasoning and Logic {Found it!}

[Chardrizard]

Heaven forbid a casual cant get every item in the game..

2 items out of how many hundreds of items?

Leave it as is SE.

Mog

Please don't mistaken casual player with bad player.

[Biggs]

Please don't mistaken casual player with bad player.

None of us are asking SE to make it easier. We are only asking that they optimize the runs for all classes and not the same 4 that seem to be running it over and over again successfully. If you have to have 3 or more jobs leveled to 50 just to be considered as a canidate to go on the run, then I would say they did the play testing for this very poorly. And until someone like you can provide me with proof that a party runs this successfully all the time without the 1 tank, archer, mage setup, I will continue to belive your an elitist thats full of crap.

[Amsai]

I somewhat agree with the OP. Although, I have beat the dungeon with an unconventional party. However, I do think its stupid that the dungeon is catering to a certain amount of elitism from some of the posts I have read here. I think what the OP really wants is challenge, but on equal footing. It really pissed me off how endgame in FFXI started going 1 tank and 17 BLMs there for a while. And this is the same kind of shit. Its not that it cant be done without 7 archers or mages, its that the playerbase will start to move towards this style of setup. This to me shows either a lack of class ballance, a poor dungeon design, or both. The sad part is instead of addressing any of these issues, Im sure SE will just come out with a dungeon that is the same type of speedrun set up, but make it where its 10x easier to run it with all 7 melee and 1 healer. And then I will laugh at how the argument will immediately restart but with reversed roles.

@ Keftenk and those like him: Chill the F out guys. Step back from the conversation and re-read all your elitest jerk comments. I mean seriously re-examine your stance on this issue. I realize you want a challenge, and I dont blame you, so do I. But you are all saying everything short of "GTFO Noob" or "Learn to play". Your basicaly telling the guy that he has no right to succede, and honestly I think its very easy for us to say that now when we have beaten it and have gear.

[Ilean]

Its not that it cant be done without 7 archers or mages, its that the playerbase will start to move towards this style of setup.

/moarchars

[Haji]

The sad part is instead of addressing any of these issues, Im sure SE will just come out with a dungeon that is the same type of speedrun set up, but make it where its 10x easier to run it with all 7 melee and 1 healer. And then I will laugh at how the argument will immediately restart but with reversed roles.

I just had the most disturbing vision. Somehwere in the near future, as the number of people rises and new raids have been added, there is a Seeker of group. Finally he got invited to a rank 45 raid, and tactics are explained. "Ok, on first part of the dungeon you'll go as LNC, second part as THM, third part as MRD... What do you mean you have only LNC, MRD, GLA and CON leveled to 50?! That's not enough, a pro player woud have all disciplies of war and magic leveled to max. Get lost nab!".

You know, when I started this game I loved the idea of having 1 character being anything I want it to be, but I'm starting to hope that they'll put some limits on multiclassing (like you can't change jobs in a dungeon). I think it's time I'll go and start to read on the job changes...

[Ilean]

I just had the most disturbing vision. Somehwere in the near future, as the number of people rises and new raids have been added, there is a Seeker of group. Finally he got invited to a rank 45 raid, and tactics are explained. "Ok, on first part of the dungeon you'll go as LNC, second part as THM, third part as MRD... What do you mean you have only LNC, MRD, GLA and CON leveled to 50?! That's not enough, a pro player woud have all disciplies of war and magic leveled to max. Get lost nab!".

You know, when I started this game I loved the idea of having 1 character being anything I want it to be, but I'm starting to hope that they'll put some limits on multiclassing (like you can't change jobs in a dungeon). I think it's time I'll go and start to read on the job changes...

Agree.

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