Raid runs and gear drops

[Haji]

The sad part is instead of addressing any of these issues, Im sure SE will just come out with a dungeon that is the same type of speedrun set up, but make it where its 10x easier to run it with all 7 melee and 1 healer. And then I will laugh at how the argument will immediately restart but with reversed roles.

I just had the most disturbing vision. Somehwere in the near future, as the number of people rises and new raids have been added, there is a Seeker of group. Finally he got invited to a rank 45 raid, and tactics are explained. "Ok, on first part of the dungeon you'll go as LNC, second part as THM, third part as MRD... What do you mean you have only LNC, MRD, GLA and CON leveled to 50?! That's not enough, a pro player woud have all disciplies of war and magic leveled to max. Get lost nab!".

You know, when I started this game I loved the idea of having 1 character being anything I want it to be, but I'm starting to hope that they'll put some limits on multiclassing (like you can't change jobs in a dungeon). I think it's time I'll go and start to read on the job changes...

[Petori]

It's stupid that some classes weapons are only obtainable via speed run. I would've thought multi-class gear (DoW, DoM) would have been rewards for speed run. But I agree that acquiring these FREE R50 gear should be hard.

[Chardrizard]

Heaven forbid a casual cant get every item in the game..

2 items out of how many hundreds of items?

Leave it as is SE.

Mog

Please don't mistaken casual player with bad player.

[Ilean]

I just had the most disturbing vision. Somehwere in the near future, as the number of people rises and new raids have been added, there is a Seeker of group. Finally he got invited to a rank 45 raid, and tactics are explained. "Ok, on first part of the dungeon you'll go as LNC, second part as THM, third part as MRD... What do you mean you have only LNC, MRD, GLA and CON leveled to 50?! That's not enough, a pro player woud have all disciplies of war and magic leveled to max. Get lost nab!".

You know, when I started this game I loved the idea of having 1 character being anything I want it to be, but I'm starting to hope that they'll put some limits on multiclassing (like you can't change jobs in a dungeon). I think it's time I'll go and start to read on the job changes...

Agree.

There is a big difference between Playing Hard and Working Hard.

I am great at both Playing Hard and Working Hard, but I charge for the later.

[Aeyis]

Agree.

There is a big difference between Playing Hard and Working Hard.

I am great at both Playing Hard and Working Hard, but I charge for the later.

Keep in mind tho, it tends to be the playerbase rather then the dev team that forces such gameplay~

[Haji]

While true, it's up to dev to minimise those things, assuming they want to (it depends on their target audiance). Right now it's probably not that bad, but if the situation escalates (like the example with gladiator that was mentioned earlier) then the dev team will have to decide which way they want to jump. After all, they advertised FFXIV (back in the days, not sure if this is still actual) as casual-friendly, but having 5+ jobs at 30+ levels just to fill one role is not casual friendly (I think).

[Ilean]

Keep in mind tho, it tends to be the playerbase rather then the dev team that forces such gameplay~

Aye. Taking the path of least resistance is human nature, still once they start charging the dev team should be able to anticipate and quickly fix those kind of situations.

[Biggs]

Dear SE

I have a gripe about the way we are supposed to get some of the drops from the R45+ dungeon (dzemadfsbnfsl darkhold)

apparently you can only get some items by doing a "speed run" and having 35+ minuted left on the clock at completion, for example i am a Glad main and i want the falchion sword

the thing is i only do runs in my LS and in the interest of being fair we never have a party setup that can accomplish this.. IE tank, archers and mages

i can appreciate some poeple dont want it to be too easy.. like me- but at the same time lets not try to shun certain people

if im honest the raids have put a strain on the LS because we want to succeed but we want all our members to experience the raid even if they arent an archer or mage.

and whats more some of our guys are new R50's and dont have all their sub abilities, it is especially critical the tank is an experienced player and i have noticed some of our new glads have been put the way side which is also dissheartening for them, and its not like anybody wants a second glad just to DD...

to sum up, i can appreciate people want a challenge but lets try to make things as fun as possible for as many people as possible, maybe it SHOULD be easy for experienced players with all their sub abilities and still be a challenge for inexperienced players

there could be a difficulty setting where if you beat it on full difficulty you can at least get bragging rights but everyone will atleast be able to complete and get the gear..

im sure you understand

thanks

I have started a topic identicle to this here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...002#post303002

So those of you bashing Rogue saying its simply not true, pony up some proof of what you say in the form of a video. Because so far, the only successful runs I have found on youtube include the setup mentioned above. Why SE chose to make a dungeon this way is beyond me, but creating something for high level players that requires you to impliment virtually zero tactics or means of customizing your own runs along with no effort required to actually FIGHT your way to the bosses within the time limit is a total joke.

[Biggs]

Aye. Taking the path of least resistance is human nature, still once they start charging the dev team should be able to anticipate and quickly fix those kind of situations.

While I totally agree that it is the players doing it this way because it is easiest, it is the devs responability to playtest this thing before releasing it to ensure each party setup has an EQUAL opportunity defeating the darkhold within the time limit.

[Biggs]

Please don't mistaken casual player with bad player.

None of us are asking SE to make it easier. We are only asking that they optimize the runs for all classes and not the same 4 that seem to be running it over and over again successfully. If you have to have 3 or more jobs leveled to 50 just to be considered as a canidate to go on the run, then I would say they did the play testing for this very poorly. And until someone like you can provide me with proof that a party runs this successfully all the time without the 1 tank, archer, mage setup, I will continue to belive your an elitist thats full of crap.