1vs1 Duel Battles

[Sanghelios]

Abbas :O

/10char

[jinda]

cevearthu your pros and cons is merely a reflection of your neglect to 1 vs 1. the feature has a lot to offer my friend. you just have to step out of your comfort zone.

[CeveArthu]

cevearthu your pros and cons is merely a reflection of your neglect to 1 vs 1. the feature has a lot to offer my friend. you just have to step out of your comfort zone.

Provide some examples, the other guy made some good ones (for example, making 1v1s just like WoWs one where you challange people outside of instances is a good one)

[Srab]

That's fine, because FFXIV is not a "PVE game". Yes, it's a PvE-centric game, but it also does have PvP content. You can believe it is what you wish, but the truth is evident in the content.

Besides, if you don't want to talk about 1v1 PvP for a "PVE game", then why are you even in this thread, talking about 1v1 PvP for what you consider a "PVE game"? <.<

90% of class skills for pve you cant get real 1 vs 1 with that

[abbas]

Abbas :O

/10char

Zaniba <3

I can still revision your..... oh nvm :x

[Vandril]

90% of class skills for pve you cant get real 1 vs 1 with that

Over 90% of class skills primarily effect the flow of damage, either incoming or outgoing, or resources used to effect the flow of damage. Since damage and resources are factors in PvP as much as they are in PvE, these class skills are fine. The only skills that won't do anything in PvP are Enmity-management skills. And maybe Defense/Magic Defense skills if they follow the standards they've set so far, since that set of stats is turned off in all current PvP.

Even disregarding that, this has nothing to do with the post you quoted, so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say by this.

But here are some of the stuff that should be set as rules for 1v1 Match in my opinion.

I'm just gonna react to each point on the list.

- No LB bar

Agreed. LB would have no place in 1v1. Even if nerfed for 1v1, it would just make duels tend to be a race to max LB bar to overwhelm your opponent.

- 2 players challenging each other should dual as the SAME job or they can't reg for dual

Absolutely not...unless the duel system is, unfortunately, made into a queued match. When I talk about dueling, I mean open-world challenge-a-guy-and-fight dueling, not queued 1v1. Not only would that split up the PvP population into even further categories, but that would also disallow dueling while in queues for other content. Part of the appeal of dueling is its quick and whimsical nature which doesn't intrude on other forms of content (such as queues).

If the dueling system is not a queue, as I hope it is open-world, then the class restriction should not be. If the dueling system is a queue, then two people who are not the same class should be able to queue as a party in order to face off against one another. At least then you'll be able to duel friends or other classes.

- Each Dual/Match has a timer for like 10 mins.

If it's a queued duel system, then I agree. A time limit would be good.

- When one of them dies he respawn and enter arena again while the alive player has like 5 secs of skills locked till the respawned guy enter so both can refight equally without any tricks involved
- When the timer end. Winner is the guy with most kills

Oh, that's kind of interesting. A multiple-match time limit duel queue? Hm...

- No NODES!

Agreed. Please remove NPC nodes from Frontlines while we're at it. <.< >.> <.<

[Cidel]

cevearthu your pros and cons is merely a reflection of your neglect to 1 vs 1. the feature has a lot to offer my friend. you just have to step out of your comfort zone.

Actually, no. He brought up some very good drawbacks that makes 1 v 1 duels unappealing. The big two being obvious unbalanced jobs and duel flagging being likely used as another form of harassment (not to mention there is a pretty big demographic of players playing this game that don't want PvP to encroach on their PvE experience).

The devs haven't even properly balanced their current PvP dynamics; I do not expect them to rebalance everything from the ground up for 1 v 1 duels.

Why do topics about Duels always fall into debates about balance... Who cares about balance with Duels?

Balance is a very big deal for players who would take 1v1 PvP seriously. Otherwise everyone would flock to the most over-powered job; and that would be the universal excuse as to why that job would ever win.

[CeveArthu]

The devs haven't even properly balanced their current PvP dynamics; I do not expect them to rebalance everything from the ground up for 1 v 1 duels.

I respectfully disagree on this bit, lvl 50 wolves den balance is pretty good right now, its the main competitive format unlike the three way turkey shoot of frontlines

[Cidel]

I respectfully disagree on this bit, lvl 50 wolves den balance is pretty good right now, its the main competitive format unlike the three way turkey shoot of frontlines

I really don't consider healers to be balanced right now. Bards also have their damaged nerfed at point-blank (unless this is gone in WD). There is no reason why caster-induced Sleep/Bind last as long as they do... Are just a few things off the top of my head.

[Nalien]

Balance is a very big deal for players who would take 1v1 PvP seriously. Otherwise everyone would flock to the most over-powered job; and that would be the universal excuse as to why that job would ever win.

And? Provided 1v1s are open world and reward-less, players can balance matches themselves if they want to take a match seriously. If I want a serious match-up, I'll organize it with whoever I intend to fight. If I just want to test my skills on Black Mage against any DPS, I'll do just that and treat it as a learning experience for real matches in Wolves' Den/Frontlines.

and duel flagging being likely used as another form of harassment (not to mention there is a pretty big demographic of players playing this game that don't want PvP to encroach on their PvE experience).

Slap 1v1 requests behind a PvP Rank requirement and problem solved. Shit heads who just want to troll probably can't even get to Rank 5, and thus can't send requests. PvE players who don't care about PvP certainly wont get to Rank 5, and thus can't be sent requests. Only people who'd have to put up with such harassment would be people who went for the Glamours alone, but... Well... We have a Blacklist and GMs, why is this even a point? People who want to harass already can, trade blocks for example. Anyone looking to harass, with such a requirement in place, would have a hard enough time that it certainly wouldn't become a popular form of harassment. You can trade block anyone anywhere. You'd really have to go out of your way to find someone you can 1v1 and start harassing them, and again, you can just Blacklist such shitheads.