Poll: Gear progression, horizontal or vertical?

[NadienKirisame]

And you brought up RO...

Oh yeah there was so many bests in RO... Here let me toss some more clouds up on your head so you feel so much safer. Lets not even get into how long you had to grind away to even get some of those cards shall we. There also was a best set of cards to use when it came down to it and that is why everyone grinded away their lives to try and get those certain cards.

And yes you can follow the "meta" (not sure why I actually hate that word) or do your own thing as long and your own thing is over there... and away from this raid because they want you to have this because it is the best way to be set up for this... >.>

Really though both ways have issue and I'm not actually going to say vertical is all wonderful... But then I have played all those game and I have done all that stuff and you know vertical just feels better really and it is not so... illusiony (not even a word!) but you do have to worry about the power creep as someone else brought up.

The cat is bemused =-.-=

[Gamer3427]

And yes you can follow the "meta" (not sure why I actually hate that word) or do your own thing as long and your own thing is over there... and away from this raid because they want you to have this because it is the best way to be set up for this... >.>

I've always been curious why everyone has this attitude towards everything when it comes to games. The vast majority of people talk as though you have to do perfect, and have the perfect set up to run everything, and anything less than perfection means you're a "bad player", even if you're still doing well above and beyond what can work to accomplish the task at hand. Don't get me wrong, there are a few of us out there that actually play the game to enjoy it, and either help or at least tolerate people who are learning and testing how to play their way, but the vast majority of gamers seem to view the world in a black and white, "do it this way or you're doing it wrong", sort of way......

[NadienKirisame]

Stuff and things

I personally don't don't care if you are a bit off and I never said you had to be perfect. But then it isn't me that is really going to take that other guy in better optimal gear over you... Most of the time I just go with it when I used to lead raids and as long as things got done it didn't matter too much but then again as I said I'm not the one that really cares much as long as people are having fun and stuff is getting killed.

And it isn't really that black and white though some groups will be that way... but in the end you are either pulling your weight and helping things die or everyone else has to pickup the slack and try to push through. If everyone is giving 100% but you are only giving 75% because you want to play this way with this gear set... is it right that the rest of the people in your group have to suddenly do more then 100%? Because if they do not you don't win the fight?

The cat is bemused =-.-=

[Gamer3427]

Words.

I will say, I wasn't trying to single you out in particular. I just used your quote as it was the most readily available example. That being said, I've met more than a few people in the community, (here in particular), who will stand for little less than perfect. Those who quit on the first failed attempt at a boss or trial, those who kick people if they don't already know the run, and those who will vote to abandon if something goes slightly wrong because someone slipped up and a wipe happens. I've met quite a few players like this in here, and a visit to the forums of most popular games will show you that it's not limited to this game. A lot of people are becoming more obsessed with speed running everything just to get the loot, rather than actually enjoying the content they're running through.....

[NadienKirisame]

I know

I figured you where not directing it at me. Though the issue you are seeing is not just from vertical progression... I have seen the same stuff in horizontal progression games as well simply because this item that they want drops from this area and it will probably take 100 runs to get it so the faster they do it the sooner they can find the next part of the set they are trying to build. The vote abandon and dropping at the first wipe are other things that annoy me and I have had a few groups that some of my friends would be with me in and we would reject the abandon and say hey lets do this one more time and just watch for this or this and such and we would end up winning that pull. Just how it goes though...

I have also seen it in other games like XI where someone joined our group and when they got to the camp the leader started asking him about his gear and when the guy didn't have certain things he was kicked... of course that didn't work too well for that leader because I left right after and I was their healer.

These games take all kinds though you just have to do what you can...

The cat is bemused =-.-=