The Other Side of The (Raid) Force

[Kallera]

While i am unable to verify or challenge your claim of 99%, i would certainly hope that there are more then 1% of the community that appreciate the rewards of achivment alongside your friends more then the loot. Or breezing trough storymode. Atleast there was more appreciation for adventure with your companions in the older mmos, and what little spirit remains in the modern mmo model. I sure hope they wont crush it all, for the sake of imagined convenience and entitelment.

Not everyone has skilled friends willing to share the same obsessions for outdated content. It doesn't hurt me in any way that t5 got nerfed, or Pharos Sirius scaled down. Telling people to buckle down and not quit, or should buy their win doesn't help near as much as people think, especially if there is a lot more time spent waiting than wiping. They might indeed succeed, but the experience(and the player that comes out of it isn't always a positive one.

[Kathryn]

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Again you are bringing a completely different gaming model into the discussion so let me quote the important words so you understand "Single Player" games are "Designed" to be "Beaten Alone" to get the full story, While in an mmo locking "Story" behind "Raiding Content" is a bad move which is why it's being "Corrected in Heavensward" SE realise doing what they did with Coil was a mistake and they are adjusting the new content so "Everyone" can experience their story. The only issue that stands at the moment is a lot of people new to the game and with real life commitments *I apologise suffering with illness I really do* dont get to see Coil's story unless they PAY a FC a rediculous amount of Gil *60m on my server Ragnarok* for a group willing to go.

And trust me I have most likely been playing FFXIV and other games a lot longer than you so I know what games are not for me.

Who are you o soy if my comment is unwanted or not? Forum police?
I know that the OP didn't want gear, he said it in his post
I just commented about my concern about easy modes and gear. I didn't say no to an easy mode

I apologise I reread you post and realise I read it wrong due to wording I'm sorry, But they have alrdy stated in hHeavensward we will get gear for Normal mode but Savage mode gear will be of a higher ilvl and stats to show commitment to those raids.

That's my bad, sorry for my bad wording, I am not a native speaker >.<
Do you know if SE said something about the one loot per week? Will it be shared or you will be able to loot once in each difficulty?

I have no idea on drop limits at first I will assume it's like WoD was and get lifted in time other than that I know Alexander Normal will come out 2 weeks from launch of HW then 2 weeks later Savage mode will be introduced.

Hit by the Daily post limit so I cannot enjoy this discussion no more http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...t-beware%21-XD

[VarinaVashai]

To be honest with most hardcore progression raiders it's all about trying to be the first to beat content and put it on farm you'll find alot of those raiders will infact skip story because it disrupts the levelling so they can get to the next level of raiding content asap, it's becoming all too common and the norm in modern mmo's & I have played mmo's with my husband for over 15 years.

You're speaking about a very specific type of player, and myself. I have played mmos for over 15 years aswell. And to claim something as a norm just describes the importance of maintaining some of the older values. And in different games doing content, ive been part of groups that has cleared server first and what not of imagined importance. In the end all we did was enjoy the content challenge ourselves and got our reward for not giving up. And that reward is just as good regardless of being the first to complete something or the last.

But if some people want too skip story and just focus on gear and progression, that is up to them. Others will still value the commitment off challenging yourself to clear the content for the sake of the story. And achivment with your friends.

I dont know what you value, and i wont presume to know. But i hope its not easy content for the sake of it being easy. And you want to see it all just because you pay a subscription. That would make for a very shallow boring game in the long run.

[Malevicton]

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Why? I see a lot of your personal preferences, but nothing about why that is how MMOs are supposed to work. Why can't you have story content with a group; why is that exclusive to single player content? Because you don't like playing that way.

Socialize. I have a huge advantage over other because I have a static, not gonna deny that. But I wasn't born with a static. I had to socialize. Group with randoms over and over til you know where the people are with your interests. Continue socializing with those people. Kill bosses with them. Enjoy playing things as a group. Don't play by yourself with 7 other people who happen to be around. Play as a unit. Experience the story as a unit. Your group is the single-player. Or socialize in a completely different way, idc. But you can't play an MMO like a single player game.

I've helped plenty of people outside of my static to get their clears. It can be tough, but it's not nearly as insurmountable as you make it out to be. Know how most of em started? "Hey guys, friend in my ls/fc needs a clear, who's available?" Yeah, people asking for help from players they know. Astonishing stuff.

The game isn't designed wrong, it's just not designed around your preferences.

[Tyrn]

Coil was the only storyline of 2.x that I thoroughly enjoyed and got engaged in, not just due to what happened in it but because that I had to improve and earn it. There is no victory to be had in the MSQ since there is no possibility of failure and because of that I don't give a damn about anything that happened in it and I'm not looking forward to any of the story content in the expansion.

[VarinaVashai]

Not everyone has skilled friends willing to share the same obsessions for outdated content. It doesn't hurt me in any way that t5 got nerfed, or Pharos Sirius scaled down. Telling people to buckle down and not quit, or should buy their win doesn't help near as much as people think. They might indeed succeed, but the experience(and the player that comes out of it isn't always a positive one.

Well i would never encourage anyone to buy runs, and skilled friends or not. Just in case you didnt read my previous posts, i havent completed all of coil or all of the ex-modes. But i wouldnt want to see them open the gates of convenience just so i can see the story. That wouldnt be me challenging myself to improve, that would be surrendering to entitelment and convenience.

Making everything free access without effort, diminishes the value of said content. And there needs to be different types of content for many different kinds of players, and that means that the ones that want to see everything cannot be accomodated. It is a game, games are entertainment for many, challenge for others, challenging mechanics aswell as challenging yourself, your commitment and resolve.

And too have something out off reach, gives you something to reach for and work towards. A personal goal if you like, or not its up to you what you want to attempt to do in a game.

[Valoiz]

Good or bad thing, gaming community tends to isolate players like me. Yes I find nice people that bear with me and do not kick me, but all places requiring everyone being smartiest than me, I will hinder party and will not pass those places. Even if accepted as I am by party, I will not pass that duty, disband comes first.

Well i always think about this and SE should really work into a solution. In MY FC only 4/75 players can actually clear/farm Final Coil, even with the echo, cuz most of then are stuck in t5/t9... so theres a HUGE % of players missing the amazing and important story behind Coil..

Completly unfair to ask ppl/clients to watch something like coil story in YouTube instead of experience by himself/herself

[Keylus]

I apologise I reread you post and realise I read it wrong due to wording I'm sorry, But they have alrdy stated in hHeavensward we will get gear for Normal mode but Savage mode gear will be of a higher ilvl and stats to show commitment to those raids.

That's my bad, sorry for my bad wording, I am not a native speaker >.<
Do you know if SE said something about the one loot per week? Will it be shared or you will be able to loot once in each difficulty?

[Valoiz]

Yes, it is. There is already a lot of stuff to help not-so-good players beat content. You can outgear it, you get Echo, you can get help from better players. Or... and this will sound completely crazy to a lot of the playerbase: Get better yourself.

You know he is paying for this game like u rigth? is not charity, is not F2P, and he should be able to enjoy the full experience he is paying (specially story of the game), the same way u should be able to do it. SE should find a way to recognize and satisfy both the 99% stuck and u, the 1% who can deal with Coil and feel "pro"

[CrystalRainbow]

My wife and I are stuck on turn 9 after our FC stop doing them kind of falling a part pre 3.0. people are taking a break. But one of our LS, started doing clear parties. So hopefully we can get it done with them.

There is one person in our FC. Has nothing to do with being a bad player. They have a bad ISP. But only option where they live. WTFast doesn't help so they are just SOL on contect like titan unless they get a full carry party.