The Monk Temple Reborn

[Ossom]

Got to agree here. So many times I'm about to have Internal Release or Blood for Blood up (1-2 seconds), but I need to form progress and I miss getting the buff applied to a DOT. Throwing a Charka stack here and there for those slight delays will be good when you also consider the payoff when you use the Forbidden Chakra move.

Also anytime you need to move away from the target for a mechanic, and you don't need to use the change form GCD. Get that Chakra stack.

Thats a complete dps lost and I would never do this in progression. This is what I have fracture cross classed for.

There is no way the dps increase you get from delaying your attack by 1 GCD will ever out benefit just doing Fracture or having your buff go off 1 GCD later. Even on your weakest attack we're looking at missing 140 X 1.27% = 177 Potency lost from delaying your weakest GCD (Twin Snakes), and doing Chakra instead of fracture is a 220*1.27% = 279 Potency lost. Now doing this Chakra move 5 times throughout the fight when you can instead be hitting him is roughly a lost of ~1000potency if your character is (and should be) in GL3.

Even if you account for the increase you get from the buffs to offset this lost. You only get 1 Buffed attack that might be stronger than the original attack your giving up. For instance. Demo is 457 (360 * 1.27) Potency IIRC w/ GL3. a B4B Buffed Demo is 502 Potency (360 *1.27 *1.1), a B4B Buffed Twin snakes (your weakest attack) is 194 (140 * 1.27 * 1.1) Potency. Thats a mere (502-457) - (194-177) Potency gain from having your B4B go off on one more Demo and one Less Twin snakes (by delaying your B4B). Which is roughly 28 Potency. 28 Potency doesn't Outweigh the 177 Potency you lose from not doing Twin or the 279 Potency you lose from not doing Fracture.

[Ossom]

I feel like people are giving the wrong information out. Either they read the tooltip wrong or they didn't quite understand what the skill did, or the skill is wholly underpowered. 200 TP is not worth it. I would not waste 5 GCDs for 200TP or a 400 Potency attack even if I was TP starved, it would push my GCDs further apart than they already area, making my dps plummet even more and risk the chance of losing GL3.

[Pluvia]

I feel like people are giving the wrong information out. Either they read the tooltip wrong or they didn't quite understand what the skill did, or the skill is wholly underpowered. 200 TP is not worth it. I would not waste 5 GCDs for 200TP or a 400 Potency attack even if I was TP starved, it would push my GCDs further apart than they already area, making my dps plummet even more and risk the chance of losing GL3.

How about you look at it not in a straight up target dummy fight there are fights where you have downtime.

[Ossom]

How about you look at it not in a straight up target dummy fight there are fights where you have downtime.

Yes there are.

1. T6 - No Downtime.
2. T7 - No Downtime.
3. T8 - No Downtime
4. T9 - Finally some Downtime. No TP issues what so ever.
5. T10 - A Smidge of downtime maybe? Really none if your good. Anyways I would rather use the Downtime to push my Form forward so that I don't lose GL
6. T11 - No Downtime.
7. T12 - No Downtime, Actually theres just a bit of Downtime in T12 where you will lose GL at 52% I would rather use the Downtime to get into Courel Form rather than get 2 Chakra stacks though.
8. T13 - Downtime During Divebombs, and Terraflare, Maybe even Earthshakers depending on how you do it. No TP issues post 60%

Unless the Downtime in the fight is exceedingly long. You would be better off using the 2-5 Seconds of downtime to get into Couerl Form over getting chakra stacks so that you either don't lose GL3 or you get back to it as soon as possible.

It honestly doesn't make sense for there to be a mechanic for monks where you must give up 5 GCDs (not 1 GCD, 5 GCDS) for 1/2 an Invigorate or a Strong, Burst Like attack.

[Ricdeau]

Thats a complete dps lost and I would never do this in progression. This is what I have fracture cross classed for.

I think you're taking what some of us have said to the extreme. I'm not advocating using Chakra all the time to push timers, but pointing out that there are times when you can use it. Some of your posts are coming off a bit alarmist for something that we don't even have all the info on let alone play time for. I don't think any of us think that we're going to be using Forbidden Chakra with great frequency. We don't even know for a fact if there's a cooldown on it or not. However, if you are using Fracture every time you need to push a single GCD TP can easily and in some fights to now will be a problem. Also think about the damage loss your bard will incur if you are starving yourself if you are the only one that needs it. So if we are talking about progression then forcing a 20% damage loss on your bard outweighs the loss using an occasional Chakra.

We also don't know what the fights are even going to be like in the expansion so that's even more reason to hold off on calling something useless or near useless. Normally I agree with vast majority of what you post, but in this instance I think a step back until we can actually see it and experience it is needed before calling something a waste. A little optimism or skepticism is fine, but you keep trying to speak on fact when we don't have all the facts yet. In it's final form it may not even be a full GCD similarly to what they did with Mudras. Currently it looks to be a full GCD, and I do not believe a GCD as short as a Mudra would be fair, however, again we do not have the facts.

Presenting some numbers is one thing, but some of what you are saying is coming off just a bit aggressive.