The Monk Temple Reborn

[ChaozK]

skill speed will be even less useful in my eyes, since we have a large amount of damage (tornado kick, forbidden chakra and elixir drive) that wont be affected by skill speed in the slightest, of course the scaling could be stupid high so who knows.
also, as i've pointed out before, the TP regen skill that monks are getting is borderline useless, any fights that we actually need it in, we simply wont be able to use it because we wont have the downtime required to gain chakra.

I wouldnt say useless, you would probably just use your first 5 chakra stacks that you generated pre battle on the tp skill rather than forbidden chakra. 200 TP alone should be enough to let you reach your next invigorate and anything longer than that means other jobs will need a tp song anyhow.

[Zamii]

I wouldnt say useless, you would probably just use your first 5 chakra stacks that you generated pre battle on the tp skill rather than forbidden chakra. 200 TP alone should be enough to let you reach your next invigorate and anything longer than that means other jobs will need a tp song anyhow.

a single regen of 200 TP on a progression fight isnt going to save you from 11 minutes or longer of high skill speed, so my point still stands.
everyone keep raving on about how monk is getting a skill to regen their own tp, but honestly i see it as one of the worst skills being added, its fundamentally flawed in that when you truely need it, you only get one use, but when you dont you can use it a lot more, on top of that its only 200 tp, maybe if it was something like 500 tp, if not more, i would be more inclined to think it was decent, that or not require a full 5 stacks and only use 1-3, or better yet remove the chakra requirement all together and just give it say a 3 or 4 min cd.

[Viridiana]

a single regen of 200 TP on a progression fight isnt going to save you from 11 minutes or longer of high skill speed, so my point still stands.

I dunno, it's basically 21 seconds of Paeon. I'm not sure how that'd be useless.

[ChaozK]

a single regen of 200 TP on a progression fight isnt going to save you from 11 minutes or longer of high skill speed, so my point still stands.

It really doesnt, if a fight takes 11 minutes the bard would have to sing paeon for himself/DRG/NIN/WAR/PLD no matter what. The 200 extra tp are meant to make sure that the MNK wouldnt be the only one who would run dry on TP on certain fights, where other jobs would not need a TP song.

Its not meant to make MNK self sufficient.

[ryuuken]

we don't know shit

i still feel like there's a high chance it will be oGCD, in which case, rape

but seriously, until patch notes in a few days, we don't know shit, so i think people shouldn't write things off yet

[Butcherboy]

So forbidden chakra is 400 pot. So how much pot is tornado kick. I thought it'll be much higher pot since its a move that eats GL. SA is much higher with 500 pot(I think).

[ColdestHeaven]

So forbidden chakra is 400 pot. So how much pot is tornado kick. I thought it'll be much higher pot since its a move that eats GL. SA is much higher with 500 pot(I think).

I believe you did not take into account Greased Lightning damage buff. I don't know how much it adds, but I think it's enough to reconsider how much that 400 potency is, and why it shouldn't be compared with Sneak.

[Zamii]

I believe you did not take into account Greased Lightning damage buff. I don't know how much it adds, but I think it's enough to reconsider how much that 400 potency is, and why it shouldn't be compared with Sneak.

if the PCgamern guy is to be trusted, tornado kick is supposed to be 500 potency, exactly the same as sneak attack.
i know a lot of people have concerns about his validity though so take that info as you will.

EDIT: for some reason i didnt realize what you meant by comparing to sneak attack first read through, tornado kick will be closer to around a 550-600 potency from a nin when you consider GL3 and twin snakes.

[Sleigh]

The AoE skill action is clearly non-GCD (no skill has a CD, as would happen with a GCD attack). The 2 on the left are probably GCDs, possibly not though. The two on the right are Chakra stack skills due to being the only two things possible to be unable to be used while the GCD is available.

If I had to guess, I'd say the initial reports the guy made are correct and Chakra is on the GCD, primarily meant for downtime, pre-battle buffing, and if you run out of TP.

[Craiger]

The AoE skill action is clearly non-GCD (no skill has a CD, as would happen with a GCD attack). The 2 on the left are probably GCDs, possibly not though. The two on the right are Chakra stack skills due to being the only two things possible to be unable to be used while the GCD is available.

If I had to guess, I'd say the initial reports the guy made are correct and Chakra is on the GCD, primarily meant for downtime, pre-battle buffing, and if you run out of TP.

What in that picture makes you think they are GCDs?

Btw, the same guy that we have put all our trust in for info said this on reddit: "Here's the skill names in order of their appearance: Forbidden Chakra - Chakra - Elixir Drive - Purify - Tornado Kick." Maybe we are missing something, but looking at the abilities, the last 2 ones clearly are grayed/blacked out and the first ability is not... Makes no sense that you can't use Purify, but can use Forbidden Chakra, since they both cost the same.

To me that looks like a false statement from that guy, and it wouldn't be the first... I won't trust anything he has said, that nobody else haven't said too.

EDIT: That, or there is something else we don't know, which that guy should know about and tell us...