The Ninja Superthread

[Odowla]

Never said goad was completely useless its just 1/4 as effective now as it was on release and may become less effective depending how things turn out with monks

How is it 1/4 less effective. There's still a bard, still a monk, If you're saying its less useful because you're running out of TP too then, I mean, the amount of damage ninjas were doing for their TP drain was a bit completetly insane.

[Pluvia]

How is it 1/4 less effective. There's still a bard, still a monk, If you're saying its less useful because you're running out of TP too then, I mean, the amount of damage ninjas were doing for their TP drain was a bit completetly insane.

which is fine I understand why they increased the tp cost it. Hopefully in HW they make ninja have close to the same amount of positional as monk/drg i can deal with less of BUFF FIST OF WINDS NINJAS ARE OP WITH MOVEMENT SPEED BUFF threads we seem to get

Let me set these points straight

1. Monks without a doubt with the way things are right now Should be ahead of ninja but they are not so it should be fixed.
2. Feels like SE is being lazy with how they're changing ninja is all i'm saying.
3. I don't care if they add positionals i play all the melee it won't bother me.
4. Fix mudra lag or change how mudras work so lag has less of an effect on it.
5. Give dragoons some utility
6. Their reasoning for giving the aggro ability is a stupid reason no Ninja with a good tank will ever pull off them in an opener.
7. i don't have a hard on for a specific class that prevents me from seeing the fact that ninja out damaging monk right now makes zero sense. But trying to use dummies to prove it just makes no sense.
8. Want to know what class I main in Coil its bard. But in pugs i play mostly Monk with some Ninja

[Odowla]

They're not giving DRG's utility because they want them to be high-damage, low-utility jobs. They're filling that role now.

Right now, NIN is beating monk most of the time. No argument, it's just a fact.

I've ripped off a LOT of tanks, and they are by no means bad tanks.

They are having something to fix it.. you do less hutons which = more damage.

[Pluvia]

They're not giving DRG's utility because they want them to be high-damage, low-utility jobs. They're filling that role now.

Right now, NIN is beating monk most of the time. No argument, it's just a fact.

I've ripped off a LOT of tanks, and they are by no means bad tanks.

They are having something to fix it.. you do less hutons which = more damage.

I rephrased my post so it couldn't be misunderstood as me saying right now monks out damage ninjas.

[Atreides]

Ninja outdpsing Monk stuff.

I have yet to see a single Ninja outdpsing monks on a EU server.
Maybe they can pull ahead in NA/JP servers because of better latency but I can easily pull higher numbers on my monk with eyes closed with lesser gear than on my Ninja with my 140 ping.
Yes, Mudra lag is just that bad, some people don't even know what Mudra lag really is when I see them streaming and complaining about lag.
Some people have it even worse, i.e. Australians on EU or Na servers, they are better off on the JP servers.
In my opinion monks don't deserve the damage they have because they are piss easy to play, seeing how they bring position to Ninja too I rather play a class that is "concidered" hard to play while in fact it's a breeze while pulling high numbers until we get our EU servers.

[Pluvia]

I have yet to see a single Ninja outdpsing monks on a EU server.
Maybe they can pull ahead in NA/JP servers because of better latency but I can easily pull higher numbers on my monk with eyes closed with lesser gear than on my Ninja with my 140 ping.
Yes, Mudra lag is just that bad, some people don't even know what Mudra lag really is when I see them streaming and complaining about lag.
Some people have it even worse, i.e. Australians on EU or Na servers, they are better off on the JP servers.
In my opinion monks don't deserve the damage they have because they are piss easy to play, seeing how they bring position to Ninja too I rather play a class that is "concidered" hard to play while in fact it's a breeze while pulling high numbers until we get our EU servers.

Honestly I just want them to change something with ninjutsu sure not having to recast Huton more often will be a dps increase to anyone with near perfect latency for the fact they will get more Raiton in but those who have latency issues have to cast fuma shuriken. and it will only give them more shuriken casts since Raiton Cuts too much into the GCD while yes its a dps increase still for them its majorly less so. It exacerbates the issue between people will great latency and people who get bad mudra lag. Where as with monk/dragoon its not as big of an issue if you're a good player since you're not trying to fit 3 .5s skills into a gcd.

I can fit Raiton into the GCD so while its not an issue for me I know it is a issue for a lot of people

[MeeYow]

Maybe SE could consider making the mudra combos done client side and then the final ninjutsu sent to the server when you cast it...

[silentwindfr]

Maybe SE could consider making the mudra combos done client side and then the final ninjutsu sent to the server when you cast it...

i dunno if it's possible, but it's a way to solve the trouble, or at least to reduce the impact of the lag on it.
i feel SE didn't had any idea for really bring new mechanic to the ninja, they did use the fact that it was bring to the 2.4 as escuse for work less on it. same the fact to add positional, when the original concept, and for more of 6 month, it was not part of the jobs it' something showing that they don't know what to do. i feel it's the easy way to add something.

same i feel they more have do this for please other jobs than ninja. a lot of people was complaining that ninja was too easy to play because of the lack of positional and it was unfair. but, instead to work around this concept and develop a different gameplay, they simply choose to go with positional. they had a lot of way to work around the mudra lag. they talk of Quality of Life change, when i don't see any quality of life from this change.

the fact to make us able to refresh huton from weaponskill, is interesting but far from a quality of life. it will make the jobs more dull, since we will simply do more raiton... it don't bring any quality of life change. we did learn to live with this for more of 6 month, indeed we will gain a bit of dps. but the fact that ninjutsu is the shadow of what it must be is still true.

some quality of life change are:
- an hud that show which mudra was launched and saved into the server. like this when a mudra is not saved, we know it.
- the solution for mudra lag is know for long time.... allows the update from the server to be every 0.1 second... not 0.3 second.
- make the system more friendly, make the cd come out only when we press ninjutsu... not when we did loose the symbol, if we start a combo mudra, if we don't finish it... it's 20 second loose. if they don't want to fix the mudra lag, they need to make the system less punishing. because soo far we are the only jobs, having skill that can fail!

i'm sure a lot of people have idea that are really quality of life change... more than me.

for me the ninjutsu need to be reworked totally. not because of the mudra lag, but because it soo limited and don't allows it to be what it can be. imagine if the Cd was on the skill, like Raiton, when cast raiton, you do have 20 second of CD. but you can launch suiton behind, that will launch the 20 second cd of suiton. by adding individual CD, it will allows them to create skill of ninjutsu that can be used in combo with the weapon skill. like do a combo of 3 weaponskill and the last hit of the combo is a ninjutsu. it will be amazing to make this work like this, it will offer more posibility, indeed it will recquire more skill, but i prefer something harder, because it's more demanding for master our ninjutsu, than positional.

[Odowla]

SErver does update at 0.1 second. They changed that a long time ago.

What your "rework" would do would be pretty OP. Free Raiton/Suiton/Trick attacks.. yeah thats a bit much. Honestly, I think they're fine now. Try slowing down a little bit and not rushing, you'll notice a large improvemtn of the quality of your mudras. Its not that you can fail, you literally only fail if yopu rush.

[CyrusStarChaser]

Is anyone else dreading the NIN positionals, or is it just me? I always thought that "few positionals" was a selling point of the class, ya know? I like the freedom to dance around like a crazy person, in the same way that some BRDs jump around like madmen.