Why punish players who just want to play DoL DoH?

[Calypsx]

I agree there should be an alternate way. In 1.0 you were even able to start the game as a DoL/DoH (Using stone throw to fight enemies in the opening cutscenes) and you could really stick to just that if you wanted.

I see nothing wrong with having multiple options for players who want to adventure how they like. I like fighting but I can understand where the crafters and gatherers are coming from.

[Duuude007]

Why are you being rude? I don't even craft nor do I want too. You don't have to actually do x to be concerned about other players who enjoy doing x.

And yet you speak on behalf of them, fantastic.

I agree there should be an alternate way. In 1.0 you were even able to start the game as a DoL/DoH (Using stone throw to fight enemies in the opening cutscenes) and you could really stick to just that if you wanted.

While a player needs to reach level 10 now, the ability to whack things with your hammer replaced stone throw. I believe this change pleased more than a few.

[StouterTaru]

Yeah but thousands of Warriors of Light moving in in droves is perfectly fine.. That's my point, lore accuracy in the game is already pretty silly, NPCs all talk to you like you're THE ONE, then there's ANOTHER ONE, and ANOTHER ONE.. To combat RMT, there could be a lv 50 class check for any class.

The checks mean much less to RMT than to a new player. Position hacking dps tear right through any content, that's what the afk parties of BLMs are doing that you see appear and disappear from time to time; entering content and casting away while the enemy can't touch them.

Alter the game files on their hard drive so cutscenes are just a flicker, and the dialogue is 1 box (since movies and dialogue are stored client side) and they blow right through the MSQ.

[GenJoe]

Alter the game files on their hard drive so cutscenes are just a flicker, and the dialogue is 1 box (since movies and dialogue are stored client side) and they blow right through the MSQ.

I... need to figure out how to do that with the unskippable cutscene at the beginning!!

from what I know no other mmo has these as classes just skill levels.

That's exactly it.. Other MMOs, crafting is just a level, not a standalone class.. FF14 gave us standalone classes for crafting.. Except, when it comes to accessing expansion content, they're not truly standalone classes apparently..

From the get go, SE gave us a way to play the game as a crafter, which is why some of us believed it would remain the case, and it has, for the past 2 years, once you unlocked everything you needed for crafting (depends, but let's just say.. second lieutenant unlocked, so a fresh lv 50) you could do everything in crafting without any restriction.. You didn't need to get to 2.2 and kill Leviathan before obtaining Levin recipes, you didn't need to kill Shiva to get Diamond/Ice recipes. If SE designed the game in such a way in the first place. (complete MSQ/Combat content to unlock more recipes) Then we wouldn't have been under such illusion. But up until 3.0, everything we had to do to advance crafting was, to craft. Was it wrong to expect the same trend to continue after 2 years?

[Dererk]

This much complaining it may be time to link crafting and gathering to a war or magic class that way unless a war or magic class is level 30 they can't raise a crafting or gathering class to 31 just stop complaining about this since in other games lest from what I know no other mmo has these as classes just skill levels.

So lets just tie the levels to war and magic classes and be done with it.

[Bloody]

DoH and DoL being separate classes is a carry over from 1.0. Nowhere in 2.0 is crafting touted as independent (see needing lvl 10 dow/m change) so that argument is inaccurate. Also, every MSQ so far has required DoW/M, and this game is a story driven MMO. There is a reason you are going to Ishgard, and a reason you can now get in, all which are parts of the MSQ. Also, people act like most of the filler quests in the MSQ take more than a few minutes to complete. DoW/M people have to do the MSQ to get their raids and primals unlocked, and to get to the HW content, and so do the crafters/gatherers. Just get it done. Is it annoying? Yes. Is it understandable why there is a gate? Yes. So just go get the keys to the gate already. Each MSQ patch took maybe 2-4 hours tops depending on the duties needed, and they are all easy. If you really want to be an end game crafter, you will do what it takes to get there, which includes MSQ and other battle activities.

[StouterTaru]

I... need to figure out how to do that with the unskippable cutscene at the beginning!!

It was easy to do in early FFXI, you just needed to find long cutscene file and replace it with a nothing file, or something similar.

Cutscenes are more complicated in FFXIV, for instance the opener has a choice that determines which ring you start with. I haven't looked into how hard it would be to bypass the CS so I couldn't tell you where to look. It's also against the ToS (which isn't going to stop the RMT from doing it) and might make your game unplayable when the next patch comes out.

[Shadray]

To be clear, the access DoL and DoH have 1-50 isn't changing, and any player can continue to use gil to fund crafting to level 60. If they want a cheaper route, they can gather the mats themselves, which means accessing the instances that have prerequisites to access. Just like any trial, dungeon, or raid has.

Is that assuming there will be no DoL resources added to heavensward content?

Because I fail to see how they can gather it if they can't get to it. And if they can't access it then how is it not changing?

[Duuude007]

Is that assuming there will be no DoL resources added to heavensward content?

I already said that in the text you quoted...

which means accessing the instances that have prerequisites to access. Just like any trial, dungeon, or raid has.

And if they can't access it then how is it not changing?

DoH/DoL 1-50 is NOT changing.

*It will continue to be doable, albeit inefficiently, without Battlecraft Lvl 11+ completion. (craft, sell, repeat)
*It will continue to be doable, a little bit more efficiently without Battlecraft Lvl 46+ completion. (add leves to the mix)
*It will continue to be doable, even more efficiently, with a Battlecraft Lvl 50 (and no story) completion. (Ehcatl Dailies)

The above, designated 1-50 content, remains fully accessible for DoH/DoL, without needing MSQ.

Because I fail to see how they can gather it if they can't get to it.

51-60 is a different animal. Battlecraft classes must (and should be forced to) complete the prerequisites to access the higher tier content. As should any explorer, and that means DoL too. (Side note- This doesn't affect DoH-exclusive people, as they purchase their materials.)

And we still don't have information about how the high level DoL process will go, but if it is consistent to the fisher class, as they have strongly inferred, one can level up in any zone, not just the Sea of Clouds.

TLDR: People who choose not to do content will consequentially fail to reap the benefits of increased efficiency leveling, or the reduced costs of self-sufficiency.

No instant gratification, thank you. Either earn your access like EVERYBODY else... or don't.

[Destomius]

Really? How would you like it if one of the 2.55 MSQ was catching a large fish for the Sultana's feast? Not even something you can do at level 10 FSH, or even 30 FSH, something hard to catch and you need gear for.. Say around 350 gathering stats?(~1 star gathering)If you want lore, you're in charge of seafood for the feast and otherwise you can't get into the Sultana's feast to advance onto the next quest and you'll be locked out of Heavensward contents before you do this. Does that sound like fun?

My time would be better spent actually doing it, rather than crying about it on the forums.

Edit: or i'd just buy the fish