Why punish players who just want to play DoL DoH?

[Barimu]

I'm sure there are games where you can just play a DoH/DoL for the whole game but this isn't that game. It's honestly sad this is being made a big deal.

[GenJoe]

No, I'm ready to get caught up.. I already have my combat class at the ready to tackle it, it's just annoying that I have to do it in order to satisfy SE's idea of lore accuracy when there are so many other things wrong with it than this one little thing.

it means you're playing the wrong game.

In an MMO, that's a very hard argument to win, lots of people have different ways of playing the game and for a good reason, I sure as hell wouldn't want to gather all my own mats for crafting.. and I'm sure you wouldn't want to craft all the low level gear that you can just buy from other people etc..

So basically, we're in an interconnected society where each person has a role to fill. A new chapter is about to open, and only the warriors are allowed to go there, everyone else on the fringe will have to take out their training swords and get fightin'.

I've accepted that to be the case, I'm ready to do my MSQ, but it still doesn't change the fact that it's more than a minor annoyance for really, not a very good reason.. To keep RMT out of Ishgard? To make the lore accurate? Come on, I could really use a better reason than that to get through all dem quests.

I can get all my gear from dungeons so invalid.

Okay then.. let's make it food/potions for raids? Are you completely self sufficient? I know a few people who are, but they are very very rare..

[Barimu]

and I'm sure you wouldn't want to craft all the low level gear that you can just buy from other people etc..

I can get all my gear from dungeons so invalid.

[Duuude007]

There's other MMOs that's heavily story driven as well that still has side stuff, like crafting, not locked behind main story content.

Players can craft 50-60 without accessing Ishgard. Without having more than level 10 in a battlecraft class. All they need is the gil to buy the mats from players who are willing to put in the work said crafters are not.

Supply, demand. How is this such a difficult concept?

I think it's a shame that people who have played the game one way (crafter/gatherer) have it taken away from them with the expansion..

To be clear, the access DoL and DoH have 1-50 isn't changing, and any player can continue to use gil to fund crafting to level 60. If they want a cheaper route, they can gather the mats themselves, which means accessing the instances that have prerequisites to access. Just like any trial, dungeon, or raid has.

[Shadray]

I've not read the full thread so this may have been said before.

I think it's a shame that people who have played the game one way (crafter/gatherer) have it taken away from them with the expansion.

I love the MSQ and all the combat quests that go with it, but I can empathise with the people who suddenly find their game changed. I mean I wouldnt like to have to craft 100 HQ 4* items to get the xpac content.

[Destomius]

There's other MMOs that's heavily story driven as well that still has side stuff, like crafting, not locked behind main story content.

Lovely. Why not play those instead?

[kyuven]

There's other MMOs that's heavily story driven as well that still has side stuff, like crafting, not locked behind main story content.

There are, but crafting in that game is even more of a side venture than it is in this game. Some of those games even require crafted items for MSQs.
They're also not nearly as story driven, and they STILL lock certain features.
No one in this game is stopping you from leveling to 60 crafting and gathering and nothing else in this game. You just need to do the MSQs to get the most out of what you're doing. This has always been true, even in more freeform games. Hell some games like WoW put crafting and gathering nodes deep inside dungeons!

[Lux_Rayna]

Its gated because RMT. Besides, youre supposed to be a Warrior of Light committed to saving Eorzea. Cant go shirking your duties.

Also why would Ishgardians let some nobody crafter help them build anything. Theres nothing special about you that would cause them to break isolation for lawn chairs.

[Terribad]

Lovely. Why not play those instead?

Why are you being rude? I don't even craft nor do I want too. You don't have to actually do x to be concerned about other players who enjoy doing x.

And yet you speak on behalf of them, fantastic.

Want to post where I said I speak on behalf of them? I'll wait.

[GenJoe]

Its gated because RMT. Besides, youre supposed to be a Warrior of Light committed to saving Eorzea. Cant go shirking your duties.

Also why would Ishgardians let some nobody crafter help them build anything. Theres nothing special about you that would cause them to break isolation for lawn chairs.

Yeah but thousands of Warriors of Light moving in in droves is perfectly fine.. That's my point, lore accuracy in the game is already pretty silly, NPCs all talk to you like you're THE ONE, then there's ANOTHER ONE, and ANOTHER ONE.. To combat RMT, there could be a lv 50 class check for any class.

OMG you're the guy that killed the Sultana!! You need a repair? Sure, that'll be 1000gil.

There are, but crafting in that game is even more of a side venture than it is in this game. Some of those games even require crafted items for MSQs.
They're also not nearly as story driven, and they STILL lock certain features.
No one in this game is stopping you from leveling to 60 crafting and gathering and nothing else in this game. You just need to do the MSQs to get the most out of what you're doing. This has always been true, even in more freeform games. Hell some games like WoW put crafting and gathering nodes deep inside dungeons!

See, the thing is.. if crafting in this game was poorly done as others or lacked the depth it has, it wouldn't have made so many people who ONLY craft.. Look at WoW, crafting is so simple in that game, there aren't very many people who only craft in that game. What WoW does have, is the AH players because their AH system is simple yet deep.. It's the game that shapes players behaviors. FF14, with it's amazing crafting game, made some of us fall in love with it and throw MSQ out the window. We felt no restriction in that aspect for a loooong time and we thought everything was peachy. We thought wrong

Why are you being rude? I don't even craft nor do I want too. You don't have to actually do x to be concerned about other players who enjoy doing x.

Empathy is an ability some people don't possess, they see the World only through their own eyes and can't fathom a different one.

Players can craft 50-60 without accessing Ishgard. Without having more than level 10 in a battlecraft class. All they need is the gil to buy the mats from players who are willing to put in the work said crafters are not.

Yes, if there's any clarification on where the next NPC for the master books III and IV will be, if they'll be accessible and outside of Ishgard or if Talan will remain as the person, then I have absolutely no problem being gated out of Ishgard other than for sightseeing, which I can do without..