RIP Ninja

[Taranok]

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1000 character limit, so I must be brief.

The one thing I can agree with is a higher skill cap. The class launched without positionals, and it should stay without them, because the game is more interesting with a class that doesn't care about positioning than without. I'd much rather they increased the skill cap of the class in a different direction. I'd prefer a fourth mudra slot or more off-GCD things, something to make it more interesting.

Or who knows, maybe I'm overblowing just how bad the positionals will be. All I know is, the entire reason I left Dragoon was because of required positionals messing up the rotation, and I can't stand monk because I jumble their various positionals easily, so I heavily enjoy having a class that doesn't care to begin with, as it's nowhere near as frustration-inducing. But maybe it will make the class more fun, I just am edging towards the former before believing the latter.

[Viridiana]

1000 character limit, so I must be brief.

If you edit your post, you can bypass the limit. Silly workarounds to draconian systems. . .

[Taranok]

If you edit your post, you can bypass the limit. Silly workarounds to draconian systems. . .

Why does it exist to begin with anyways? I don't really understand. 1000 characters is barely enough room to exchange anything at a conceptual level, nevermind getting into any real detail.

[Riepah]

Why does it exist to begin with anyways? I don't really understand. 1000 characters is barely enough room to exchange anything at a conceptual level, nevermind getting into any real detail.

Same reason we don't have Private Messages, and the same reason we can't make more than 20 posts per day. SE loves restrictions.

[Viridiana]

Why does it exist to begin with anyways? I don't really understand. 1000 characters is barely enough room to exchange anything at a conceptual level, nevermind getting into any real detail.

I assume the 1k characters is based on Japanese, where a single character is an entire syllable and a bit more can be exchanged in fewer characters

Same reason we don't have Private Messages, and the same reason we can't make more than 20 posts per day. SE loves restrictions.

But, yeah, basically this, because even in JP there's no real reason to do a 1k limit.

[Enjuden]

I feel that it is silly to complain about positionals and consider it a 'nerf' when you don't know about the skill descriptions in the first place. What if the potency is the same for every single ability without said positional and all skills that do get a positional get a potency increase for fulfilling that requirement? Is that still 'RIP Ninja'?

Don't just assume that a class getting another requirement is going to be a 'nerf' when the requirement can be a buff. Because quite frankly, Ninjas do not have nearly enough worries to justify their current DPS when played optimally in 2.5. They never had.

Still, the main issue that a ninja has aside from Mudra lag is that it brings nothing to the table other melee have or do not do better. It used to with their low TP costs but they don't have that anymore, so now what? Hopefully the changes either fix the TP issue, or give..something, anything that makes Ninjas stand out from Dragoon or Monk.

[Riepah]

Still, the main issue that a ninja has aside from Mudra lag is that it brings nothing to the table other melee have or do not do better. It used to with their low TP costs but they don't have that anymore, so now what? Hopefully the changes either fix the TP issue, or give..something, anything that makes Ninjas stand out from Dragoon or Monk.

And I sure hope they don't consider Goad and the new aggro decrease ability to be enough. Goad just became a bit less useful with MNKs getting the ability to recover their own TP, and aggro should never be a problem in the first place. Not to mention that they still aren't giving us visible party TP bars.

[Houston009]

The TP recovery move requires the same stacks that allows them to do their heavy burst ability. Goad would increase MNKs damage overall because they can forgo the TP move.

[Kiroh]

And I sure hope they don't consider Goad and the new aggro decrease ability to be enough. Goad just became a bit less useful with MNKs getting the ability to recover their own TP, and aggro should never be a problem in the first place. Not to mention that they still aren't giving us visible party TP bars.

The only thing I can imagine Goad being useful for now is WAR or BRD AoEing. Though with WAR getting a DPS stance it might prove useful yet...

[Taranok]

The only thing I can imagine Goad being useful for now is WAR or BRD AoEing. Though with WAR getting a DPS stance it might prove useful yet...

Considering how much they're altering rotations of pretty much every class, the only assumption that can be made is that the devs are probably revisiting TP usage. But if they don't, and the war dps stance is similar to its tanking right now, it won't need any goad at all in 99% of all fights.