RIP WHM/SCH

[Lemuria]

Why is it better for the tank to have more health rather than less health but shield, for the same total amount?

There are game mechanics in the game already which require you to heal a target to full HP, such as the doom effect in Wanderer's Palace HM. To a lesser extent, there's also Siren in Pharos Sirius who has a charm with the same mechanic. The point is, in both of those situations, shields won't help. They need HP heals pure and simple and having a means of buffing your cures is a good way to do that.

My only reservation with it is that it feels like Scholar is stealing White Mage's tricks with this. If it is a stance which can be kept on permanently, Scholar will literally be more powerful than White Mage as they're also addressing the Magic Defense imbalance on Protect. You'd have a job which has a strong healing potential, damage mitigation AND a separate healing pet rolled into one. White Mage's one remaining trick, Regen, seems like an afterthought against that onslaught.

Will either of them hold up against Astrologian though? We'll have to wait and see. I'm still hyped for White Mage if only for the new Holy spell and Stone/Aero III.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

My only reservation with it is that it feels like Scholar is stealing White Mage's tricks with this.

In the same way WHM might be "stealing Scholar's tricks" by being able to do more DPS than it used to. Again, they are clearly streamlining healers.

Simple just add the "shell" spell to white mage, make it cross-class and make it so that proshell increases the potency instead of provides both effects, by making proshell available to all healers they are basically taking one of the best and main tools of white mage away.

That would still make WHM mandatory in progression raids.

[Brightshadow]

In the same way WHM might be "stealing Scholar's tricks" by being able to do more DPS than it used to. Again, they are clearly streamlining healers.



That would still make WHM mandatory in progression raids.

Not really because each healer would bring something different to the raid.
1.) White Mage: Enhanced Protect & Shell
2.) Scholar: Selene
3.) Astrologian: Many Different Enhancements.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Not really because each healer would bring something different to the raid.
1.) White Mage: Enhanced Protect & Shell
2.) Scholar: Selene
3.) Astrologian: Many Different Enhancements.

How is Selene different since Astro will be able to use Haste with cards (among other buffs)?
Also, technically, an "Enhanced Protect" would be a perma-shield under another name. If you are taking 90 damage with a WHM protect and 100 damage with a SCH protect, it means that at the end of fight the WHM would have effectively shielded more damage than the SCH, most likely.

[LycorisSelunis]

[QUOTE=Remilia_Nightfall;2976075]How is Selene different since Astro will be able to use Haste with cards (among other buffs)?
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Selene is GUARANTEED haste buffs for the whole party on rotating CD. AST buffs are less reliable. Personally I still feel that each healer will be bringing enough. Lemme tally up some thoughts....

WHM- AST has not confirmed having regens means that whispering dawn and WHM are the only hots (regen, medica2, new ground aoe). Sure everyone gets proshell now but WHM still have traited stoneskin. Their aoe dps utility in holy gets even better with new dps skills, and new dps-to-heal skills (perhaps a la disc priest atonement in wow). They still have huge healbombs and mp efficiency with freecure and overcure, and their CDs increasing their own healing output. New instant healing spells of less potency, on top of benediction, gives more mobility than ever before.

SCH- New spell spreading E4E and adlo bubble means you can use the stronger shield of adlo in aoe, instead of succor. New aoe healing spells also to shore up succor and rouse/whispering dawn. New spell to change adlo into a curebomb helps with 2 sch healing comps as well. Traited virus (if you have no SMN) and E4E with shorter cd as well. Selene has reliable haste buffs and Eos has a mdef cd and aoe healing increase cd that stacks with whm cd. The fairy spothealing is also an amazing supplement and at times a mobility/spread healing tool, not to mention keeping people up while having a dps window to toss dots. Sacred soil is still awesome, and sch is still great on MP management. Still unsure as to how the fairy-sacrifice will work. Does it put her summoning on cd, or can you summon another one right away? Though the translation said magic power the effect in the video looks just like an aoe healing spell.

AST- We still don't know much about how they will function healing-wise. Though we hear about the stance switch we don't know much about the actual spell effects or how often they will be able to switch. The interviews generally have phrased that one would want to use barrier stance with a whm and healer stance with a sch, but perhaps healer stance and whm could work well (2 whm can stack hots now, but 2 sch cannot stack shields. who knows?) Are their barrier an absorption effect like adlo, or a reduction effect like sacred soil, would they stack with sch? we don't know. Also the randomness of the card buffs, while they are sure to be nice buffs are unreliable, not to mention that there sounds to be at least 3 actions associated with their use. I feel that this complexity may turn people away from the class, much like some healers play whm because they don't feel like managing a fairy. Also we know nothing of their dps capabilities, or how viable it will be for them to dps in downtime due to mp constraints. We also don't know what cross class actions they will have, though we can assume cnj for protect (they are reforming proshell after all) and cleric stance. But not sure if they will get can or thm for the other set- giving up e4e/virus or swiftcast/surecast.

In conclusion, I feel that each of the three healers will probably be bringing enough to the table not to be unwanted, or that stacking two of one healer would be optimal. Sure healer stacking could be viable, it already is, but it's not the most optimal which seems to be the concern.

[Mendalas]

There are game mechanics in the game already which require you to heal a target to full HP, such as the doom effect in Wanderer's Palace HM. To a lesser extent, there's also Siren in Pharos Sirius who has a charm with the same mechanic. The point is, in both of those situations, shields won't help. They need HP heals pure and simple and having a means of buffing your cures is a good way to do that.

This. Thank you Lemuria. A perfect example of when Emergency Tactics would be incredibly useful.