RIP WHM/SCH

[Yona87]

SCH gets more versatile abilities that requires more critical thinking while WHM gets more point blank aoe heal/dmg that makes you more drowsy in your chair. Have ALOT of fun!

[Ethos]

If proshell was not distributed, WHM would practically have a guaranteed spot in every team.

That is completely laughable considering how weak Proshell actually is compared to other mitigation abilities like Fey Covenant, Sacred Soil and Supervirus. All of which happen to be exclusive to SCH among healing roles.

One of the real issues causing the Proshell change is that you do not actually need a WHM in your group to cast Proshell as you can just have one person cast it before entering a raid instance and then switch back to their normal job. This way everyone except for one person would have the buff and you would not need to bring a WHM.

SE prevented this situation from happening by making Proshell baseline instead.

[Yona87]

WHM don't get to have supervirus sorry, no matter how much you rant here, you will never get what SCH has.

[desufin]

WHM don't get to have supervirus sorry, no matter how much you rant here, you will never get what SCH has.

How about instead of being a waste of posting space, elaborate why WHM and AST shouldn't get what SCH has. SCH is already getting what WHM has in terms of better raw healing and as been discussed, Proshell. Elaborate coherently as to why WHM and AST shouldn't get ONE thing from SCH, in this case Supervirus. Judging by your most recent psots you are unable to and are just blindly hoping for SCH to be the best thing ever with little to no regard of actual healer balance and effectiveness of other healers outside your own favorite little pet healer.

[Kabzy]

I think you'll find that on paper WHM is getting the ability to DPS just as well, potentially, better than SCH. They're getting more DPS abilities with DoT effects, and instant low potency cure spells. Depending on how often you can use them, WHM could even become better at DPSing than SCH. If they gave WHM more mitigation on top of that, then they would literally be the perfect healers. Access to strong single target / AoE heals, HoTs, mitigation, instant heals and good DPS options.

It seems like the healer jobs are all going to have a lot of tools to do most things, so will most likely be perfectly balanced. I don't understand why WHMs want more on top of what you've already been given. Sure, SCH got AoE heals, but as a SCH main I'm not even happy about that. It's not meant to be our game to AoE heal, and it's taking some uniqueness away from both SCH and WHM. But then you guys could potentially be getting our DPS. It's give and take with both jobs, and quite frankly I don't see the need to get so defensive over this when we still have a lot to find out about all jobs.

[desufin]

I think you'll find that on paper WHM is getting the ability to DPS just as well, potentially, better than SCH. They're getting more DPS abilities with DoT effects, and instant low potency cure spells. Depending on how often you can use them, WHM could even become better at DPSing than SCH. If they gave WHM more mitigation on top of that, then they would literally be the perfect healers. Access to strong single target / AoE heals, HoTs, mitigation, instant heals and good DPS options.

It seems like the healer jobs are all going to have a lot of tools to do most things, so will most likely be perfectly balanced. I don't understand why WHMs want more on top of what you've already been given. Sure, SCH got AoE heals, but as a SCH main I'm not even happy about that. It's not meant to be our game to AoE heal, and it's taking some uniqueness away from both SCH and WHM. But then you guys could potentially be getting our DPS. It's give and take with both jobs, and quite frankly I don't see the need to get so defensive over this when we still have a lot to find out about all jobs.

Just like you are groaning about having more healing options as a SCH (whyever), some WHM are groaning about having more DPS options (whyever). However despite having more DPS options, it's already a very clear and obvious fact RIGHT NOW that WHM and DPS don't go too well together because of MP issues. Having more dps tools that will cost even more MP will only further expand upon this if there are no changes to how WHM mp is right now.
SCH is already in an amazingly good place when it comes to MP, except when healing under pressure which surprise, the new healing abilities look to help out with. You can't say "it's not meant to be our game to X" because it was teh community that decided SCH dps AND heal because well, they perfectly well can. WHM can not currently and they are getting SOME help on that but until we see some major improvements in MP management for WHM, it will never be as good as SCH. It simply wont happen.

When it comes to damage mitigation, the whole point is still PICK ANY HEALER YOU LIKE, Supervirus prevents that choice. Any group that will not have a SMN or SCH in it will suffer, greatly, while any group that does have a SCH (or SMN) will have a major advantage. It's incredibly simple to see, it's not like I'm asking WHM to have every mitigation tool SCH has, nor that AST should have it, I'm saying WHM -AND- AST should have Supervirus. That's it, nothing else.



If you still don't think Supervirus is that important, you clearly don't know what you are arguing for or against and should just quit. As long as supervirus is a thing that is exclusive to SCH among healers, people will be forced to have a SCH in their groups.

[Yona87]

Why should there be a healer balance? I like the way it is.

[VanilleFang]

Why should there be a healer balance? I like the way it is.

So balanced. Exactly.

[desufin]

Why should there be a healer balance? I like the way it is.

Because it's balanced right now by the simple fact that we have two healer spots and only two healers. SE changed this by adding a new healer and went further on this by saying "hey Proshell needs to be base now for healer balance". That was a mistake. If they want to retain balance, there's more that needs to be baseline than simply Proshell, Supervirus being far more important than Proshell.

But you and Kabzy don't seem to understand the point of balance. This isn't a WHM vs. SCH utility thing, this is a thing SE started and need to see through properly unless they are lying and actually want SCH to be core in every group and not that people should take whichever they prefer.

[Kabzy]

But you and Kabzy don't seem to understand the point of balance. This isn't a WHM vs. SCH utility thing, this is a thing SE started and need to see through properly unless they are lying and actually want SCH to be core in every group and not that people should take whichever they prefer.

And I think you fail to understand that it's completely irrelevant talking about healer balance at this point. Let us continue this conversation when we have our jobs at lv60 and actually know more about the role. Right now it's just unnecessary crying for Supervirus because you guys lost Proshell. We have absolutely no idea how this is going to effect the healers, or what CNJ will get in return. This is a pointless discussion.