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    History of FF mmos?! There are only two, and summoners are fine in 11, they actually Summon, summons. I can't believe you guys are so close minded that simply because we don't kneel down and agree with your view on the class that makes us insane. The class boils down to being a poison mage with a auto attack pet.

    How can you assume because people are complaining about the class and its mechanics, that we arent playing it correctly, that has nothing to do with any of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galand View Post
    There are only two, and summoners are fine in 11, they actually Summon, summons.
    When you boil right down to it, the FFXI summons are just glorified pets too.
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    Gralya Arodica
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galand View Post
    History of FF mmos?! There are only two, and summoners are fine in 11, they actually Summon, summons. I can't believe you guys are so close minded that simply because we don't kneel down and agree with your view on the class that makes us insane. The class boils down to being a poison mage with a auto attack pet.

    How can you assume because people are complaining about the class and its mechanics, that we arent playing it correctly, that has nothing to do with any of it.
    How is it close minded to prefer something original, to something that is a clone of something that came before it? If anything people who are fine with smn as they are, aside from a few mechanical tweaks find it funny how outraged people get about something as silly as pet appearance The most vitriolic comments I tend to see, come from people crying about how SMN isn't a clone of it's XI counterpart.

    SMN in FFXIV is a dot based pet class, get over it, it's been this way for over a year now, the class has already been rebalanced around that playstyle for 3.0, they aren't going to change it, no matter how loud you cry, scream or throw a fit.
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    What gets me is people are arguing to someone who wants a summoner to actually be just that...and not a DoT hero.
    It's like a crazy idea or something. New skills do look cool, won't lie lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galand View Post
    History of FF mmos?! There are only two, and summoners are fine in 11
    Considering your class the last time around was basically "sub WHM, never summon because your avatars suck outside of Astral Flow" until the lv70 blood pacts were introduced (which meant instead of sucking all the way to 75, you just sucked from 1-69), were largely irrelevant outside of burn parties and weren't even considered for endgame until Alexander and Perfect Defense entered the game, I'd say you're still much better off with what XIV's summoner brought. Let's not forget you couldn't do anything in between Blood Pact timers and were designed to be inherently inefficient with MP. Also keep in mind that summoner in FFXI was this way for about 8 or 9 of its 13-year life.

    I do have to ask SMN main players: Do you think adding abilities to current egis and just letting you change the look of the egis is better than adding new egis in-game? The fact they're going this route so early in the life of SMN tells me they're not going to add Levi/Ramuh/Shiva egi and just let you change the existing three egis to look like them. I could be (and pray that I am) wrong, but that's what it looks like right now.

    Here's the mandatory WoW comparison chart for those who think you can't add egis to the game as is:

    Tank Pet - Voidwalker (WoW) - Titan-egi (FFXIV)
    Melee DPS Pet - Fel Guard (WoW) - Ifrit-egi (FFXIV)
    Caster DPS Pet - Imp (WoW) - Garuda-egi (FFXIV)
    Crowd Control Pet - Succubus (WoW)
    Debuffer/DPS Pet - Fel Hunter (WoW)
    AoE/Damage Aura Pet - Infernal (WoW)
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    Here's the mandatory WoW comparison chart for those who think you can't add egis to the game as is:

    Tank Pet - Voidwalker (WoW) - Titan-egi (FFXIV)
    Melee DPS Pet - Fel Guard (WoW) - Ifrit-egi (FFXIV)
    Caster DPS Pet - Imp (WoW) - Garuda-egi (FFXIV)
    Crowd Control Pet - Succubus (WoW)
    Debuffer/DPS Pet - Fel Hunter (WoW)
    AoE/Damage Aura Pet - Infernal (WoW)
    Ideas
    Titan= Tank egi
    Ifrit= Melee Egi
    Garuda= Nuker egi (increase DoT duration) / Need better look
    Ramuh= DoT Egi (add an extra DoT u can Bane)
    Shiva= Ranged Egi (bow) + Bind (freeze) stuff and apllly heavy
    Levi= AoE egi (place water pool) for big pulls

    +Give SMN a Swiftcast only to change egis
    "Tri-Bind" still suck if they dont reduce mp cost/casting/increase power at least to Blizzard II level
    "new tri-dissaster" still suck if only apply the 3 DoT by sacrifice 1 fester/ bane

    Is easy to make every pet usefull and valuable part of the team. Dunno why SE cant see it
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    Last edited by Valoiz; 05-22-2015 at 02:00 PM.

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    Raveen Raines
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Valoiz View Post
    Ideas
    Titan= Tank egi
    Ifrit= Melee Egi
    Garuda= Nuker egi (increase DoT duration) / Need better look
    Ramuh= DoT Egi (add an extra DoT u can Bane)
    Shiva= Ranged Egi (bow) + Bind (freeze) stuff and apllly heavy
    Levi= AoE egi (place water pool) for big pulls

    +Give SMN a Swiftcast only to change egis


    Is easy to make every pet usefull and valuable part of the team. Dunno why SE cant see it
    It's easy to say that, but long story short, one of the pets is going to outshine the others and be used in 95% of situations. I use ifrit probably 85% of the time, garuda rarely for magic or AoE damage, and titan once in a while for soloing. I do wish there would be an ability to swap pets instantly and free. I would like to see more abilities like enkindle where you give your pet a command.
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    I really am thrilled over the changes!! Ofc new egis would have been nice, but the fact that we have more SMN abilities and can channel frkn BAHAMUT?! Thats just awesome!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sequora View Post
    It's easy to say that, but long story short, one of the pets is going to outshine the others and be used in 95% of situations..
    Why ppl keep saying this? O.O i use all my 3 actual egis in diferent situations

    Titan (tank) is a pet to lv up... every SMN on every mmo have a pet for that - Solo Fates

    Ifrit (melee) i use Ifrit for every figth i already know the mechanic and i know he can survive cuz his DPS makes a diference, specially if theres a NIN-MNK in the party- most of the regular dungeon bosses- His Enkidle is HUGE DPS- PVP: Wolves Den

    Garura - for complex mechanic figth, help me keep my DOTs up while i am dealing with stuff, also for fighs hard to survive for Ifrit, also for big pulls in regular dungeons. PVP: Frontlines
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valoiz View Post
    Why ppl keep saying this?
    Mainly is in relation to end game. All 3 have a nice benefit for open world/dungeons tho. Just not when it comes to the likes of end game progression.
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