RIP summoner

[Gralna]

There are no summoners in FFXIV, just rebadged Warlocks from WoW.

dot casters with pets have been around since before WoW, DAoC came out in 2001 and had 3 of them (Cabalist, Mentalist and Bonedancer). Just because WoW has been out long enough to have basically copied parts of every MMO before it, and in some cases after it, doesn't mean everything is copied from it, some aspects of MMORPGs are just common throughout the whole genre.

[Destomius]

It's better to have egi skins than completely new egis. At least you'll actually get to SEE summoners using a variety of different egis, rather than everyone using Garuda and ignoring the rest. I for one, think they did a great job with Summoner and look forward to playing it.

[TruebladeNuke]

Yet there has been countless threads about SMN desperately needing a rework for almost 2 years.
So.............

And people have been complaining that PLD needs to be buffed because "WAR outshines them." And people have been complaining about BRD not being able to do as much damage as a BLM while being able to move freely at all times. (Which is even kinda addressed now, but not to "they're" liking of course) And people have been complaining about DRGs not being able to instantly move while using the regular Jump attack. And people are complaining about the worry that MAC's will be too much like BRD's. Shall I go on?

People complain no matter what the developers do. And I guarantee you it'll never end. And this isn't even me getting into the stories of me out-DPSing other DPS roles as a SMN.

It's better to have egi skins than completely new egis. At least you'll actually get to SEE summoners using a variety of different egis, rather than everyone using Garuda and ignoring the rest. I for one, think they did a great job with Summoner and look forward to playing it.

I concur with this. At least we'll be able to have variety among our summons this way.

[Lemuria]

These arguments about Bahamut being exactly like old-school summons might hold more weight if we had more than one. As if having one single skill suddenly makes up for the fact that 95% of our rotation has nothing to do with our summons.

[Imoye]

Wait, pets do damage now? Stop the press, this is the first time I've heard of that!

Truth be told though, our pets deal only a third of the overall damage. Most of it is from DoTs and abilities like Fester. Their low recast times and their relatively weak damage will not make them contenders for MVP.

ONLY? 30% of your damage is huge. Definitely more than significant.

My problem with the egis are purely cosmetic and how lame the abilities are. Especially the signature ability having a 5 min CD and a really lame animation. The egis just look like a ball of plasticine mashed together. Took them 5 min tops to design those, and the fact that they can't even be bothered giving us some decent looking pets tells me this is a job they're never going to improve. So you might as well reroll right now.

Personally I'm going Astro.

[Malakai]

How neat would it be if they implemented a feature where you absorb your egi's power and turn into it yourself for a short time? eh? eh? Lalafell summoner absorbs Ifrit Egi and turns into a Lala-sized Ifrit and the hotbar changes to Ifrit's moves. Claw Swipe > Dash > AoE knockback > Flame breath > Plumes > Inferno Special. Same with the other primals. hm? hm? o.o

[reality_check]

RIP summoner?! WHAT?! DID YOU NOT SEE THOSE TOTALLY AWESOME NEW ABILITIES THEY GET?!

So excited

[Lillia]

At least we get Ahk Morn. ._. But if the Carby thing is true, I'ma happy camper lol.

Don't we get a different LB3 animation for each job too? maybe it'll be some awesome looking monster coming out. ^^

[Tannlore]

RIP? Well.... Good bye fair weather summoners. See you, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Otherwise, this is amazing. I hope this Bahamut trance is the first of what I hope will be a future mechanic for us. Who knows, maybe we'll see more? Ifrit/Garuda/Titan/etc Trance? I'm so stoked for the expantion now I can't believe it. I was hoping we'd possibly get Baha in some way for the LB3... and my friends laughed saying never. But to get him THIS way? I mean... WHAT?! YES!!!

Also curious on the Egi changes. They mentioned possibly changing with our spells? Maybe rouse/spur might temporarily change them into bigger more developed versions? That might be cool.. .Rouse/spur... suddenly somewhat smaller versions of the full primals (or close to it). Also, I know some people were wanting to see Carbuncle again, also good news for them.

Mechanics wise.. I mean.. all our dots on in one shot? Bahamut stuff aside, that's amazing. And didn't they mention it was AoE to boot? So easy Dot application, MORE interaction with our pets (more abilities), AND tons more burst? This is exactly what we needed. If you're a smn.. and you're all RIP.. then Good riddance. Go play something else, SMN doesn't need ya.

[Averax]

I really want to make this my signature, now.

I wonder, is SMN no longer a dot class in HW. Because i'd enjoy that. It'd give me a reason to use Ifrit. I wish i knew where people got their information.