Level Sync QoL: Keep Abilities Intact

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Anyway... Firstly, I don't see how anything that changes the game on a fundamental level as much as this suggestion would could possibly be considered a quality of life change. Secondly... ergh. As much as I'd like to triple flare the ever-living shit out of some of the low level dungeon bosses, I'd feel awful for levelling tanks trying to hold aggro off of some of the skills. In a lot of cases, it probably wouldn't even be possible to do it unless the potencies were overhauled and such. It just seems like more trouble than it's worth. :s

Why would the potencys need changed? They are based on your weapon which is already level locked down. No need to change anything. Your making it seem like a lot more trouble then it actually would be.

If your pulling threat, then that tank becomes DPS and you become the tank, in low level dungeons people take almost the same amount of damage anyways.

[Vangl]

People would be slightly more powerful than they are when they do dungeons now. OMG let's deny everyone something that could be really fun because someone else can potentially get butthurt. Let's not release the expansion because someone might get butthurt over not being first to 60. Let's remove gil because someone might be butthurt they don't have the most. It's a game for crying out loud. Give people this option (which is pretty standard in other MMOs and doesn't destroy those games btw) and let them enjoy the game they've paid for. Restrict it to full premades if you are that worried about butthurt people, but at least make it an option.

With Heavensward on the way, it would give people a bit of fun when they run the dungeons they've done a million times while helping friends level new jobs.

[Ashkendor]

Why would the potencys need changed? They are based on your weapon which is already level locked down. No need to change anything. Your making it seem like a lot more trouble then it actually would be.

If I'm level synced with the Flare skill and the tank doesn't have their tanking stance yet, we're gonna have a bad time. Not every tank is a level-synced 50 in i130 gear just out there doing low-level roulette. You have to think about the people that are just leveling up the class and don't have access to the full arsenal of skills yet.

If your pulling threat, then that tank becomes DPS and you become the tank, in low level dungeons people take almost the same amount of damage anyways.

By "low level dungeons" I mean "anything under level 50". The bosses in anything from about Brayflox on upward can pretty well make mincemeat of DPS if the tank isn't able to hold aggro off of them.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

If I'm level synced with the Flare skill and the tank doesn't have their tanking stance yet, we're gonna have a bad time. Not every tank is a level-synced 50 in i130 gear just out there doing low-level roulette. You have to think about the people that are just leveling up the class and don't have access to the full arsenal of skills yet.



By "low level dungeons" I mean "anything under level 50". The bosses in anything from about Brayflox on upward can pretty well make mincemeat of DPS if the tank isn't able to hold aggro off of them.

I tanked it as a level 30 Blackmage. Your fine. I did the entire zone tanking it with a BLM and kiting.

The last boss isn't a big deal unless you play a Scholar and don't have access to leeches.

Okay, we get it, all you people who're all for this idea you just want to be able to 'faceroll' all the content, even though you still can't 'faceroll' Coil, much less Crystal Tower (them mechanics, yo). But, see, you're ignoring something. Not everyone is level 50 sporting Coil-ready gear. Low Level Roulette wasn't implemented to give you a boost on tomes. The tomes are an incentive to go and help, and try not to let this blow your mind, low level player queues. Yes, you are helping THEM, not the other way around. As such, they are the ones being catered to with the level sync, not you. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. "You aren't the only hero." You having access to all your abilities only serves to help you and screw everyone else. Especially the low level players.

Helping players level caters to you and makes you selfish? <3 This logic.

As pointed out many times a lvl 50 synced PLD would seriously out perform a lvl 20 GLD as the PLD would have his Shield oath and many more Aggro inducing abilities where as the GLD has Flash....

This gives players incentive to become more powerful because they can see how such abilities would help them. Of course they would be better, however I don't get mad if a level 30-39 PLD loses aggro to me, I just say: You dps I will tank. Really also, is that bad? Nope.

This isn't like WoW, I don't get plastered immediately if i'm not a fighter class. For low level dungeons (dungeons under 50, which I skip most of them because at 44-50 fate grinding is much faster) I usually wear vitality gear so I have very high health as a healer, if the tank is too slow I usually tank for him. I don't care who the tank is, as long as one person has aggro and not everyone.

[Gilraen]

Helping players level caters to you and makes you selfish? <3 This logic.

Is it really helping, though. In XI we had this wonderful crucible known as Valkurm Dunes. Everyone went there for their first parties and learned their roles and how not to be spam-mad arses. Valkurm would segue into Qufim Island where those lessons were cemented and everyone lived happily ever after. In XIV, the crucible are the low level dungeons. We all learn how to play our roles in them because there is no open world partied leveling (no, FATES do not count). What can anyone possibly learn when the high level DD suddenly rushes ahead and 'facerolls' the dungeon for you, aside from "Being a DD is awesome!" (which we know is so very far from the truth)?

[kyuven]

Is it really helping, though. In XI we had this wonderful crucible known as Valkurm Dunes. Everyone went there for their first parties and learned their roles and how not to be spam-mad arses. Valkurm would segue into Qufim Island where those lessons were cemented and everyone lived happily ever after. In XIV, the crucible are the low level dungeons. We all learn how to play our roles in them because there is no open world partied leveling (no, FATES do not count). What can anyone possibly learn when the high level DD suddenly rushes ahead and 'facerolls' the dungeon for you, aside from "Being a DD is awesome!" (which we know is so very far from the truth)?

We can actually look at WoW for this precise situation, since facerolling dungeons for other players was a thing for a long time, and there were certain...deficiencies...when those players came of level.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Is it really helping, though. In XI we had this wonderful crucible known as Valkurm Dunes. Everyone went there for their first parties and learned their roles and how not to be spam-mad arses. Valkurm would segue into Qufim Island where those lessons were cemented and everyone lived happily ever after. In XIV, the crucible are the low level dungeons. We all learn how to play our roles in them because there is no open world partied leveling (no, FATES do not count). What can anyone possibly learn when the high level DD suddenly rushes ahead and 'facerolls' the dungeon for you, aside from "Being a DD is awesome!" (which we know is so very far from the truth)?

I will tell you what another person told me in another thread. "That is what "Trials" are for." and I don't mind trials being the same way they are now.

[Ashkendor]

I tanked it as a level 30 Blackmage. Your fine. I did the entire zone tanking it with a BLM and kiting.

The last boss isn't a big deal unless you play a Scholar and don't have access to leeches.

If your healer's on top of it it could work, sure. If not, well...

This gives players incentive to become more powerful because they can see how such abilities would help them. Of course they would be better, however I don't get mad if a level 30-39 PLD loses aggro to me, I just say: You dps I will tank. Really also, is that bad? Nope.

Yeah, but think how that person feels going into the dungeon wanting to tank it... and then it being completely impossible for them to keep aggro. You think there's no tanks now? Imagine if the role had difficulties in lower level content due to level synced DPS using overpowered abilities. I dunno about you, but if I feel like a class or role is ineffective I don't tend to find it very fun. If something isn't very fun for me, I don't keep playing it. Playing a tank and having a DPS or healer tell me "It's OK, just DPS and I'll tank it." is pointless to me. Why even play a tank if they aren't needed? And of course we'd have the inevitable few asshats that would kick un-synced tanks from dungeons simply for not having their full array of skills available. Honestly, it's just more trouble than it's worth.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Lol, if a BLM was tanking everything when I had to tank it I would not only find that "fun" but humorous! =P

Why even play a tank if they aren't needed?

They are needed, what gave you that silly notion girl? People play a tank to be infront of the group and keep aggro, but Tank DPS without tank stance isn't that bad. If it is they need a DPS increase. Although At least I don't feel bad DPS when I play my tank. Then again, I just do dungeons.

I've been playing Tanks since 2003, yeah they are hard to play. However I don't get butthurt if a DPS rips aggro. I consider the "tank" the one with the aggro, if hes ripping from me it means hes just a better tank.

[Kathryn]

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You are completly missing her point, If a low level tank goes into an instance and always get overpower overzealous DPS (which there is alot of them) he will feel completly useless and even wonder why he's bothering to try and tank and most likely quit to join the DPS fray in fourth making the tanking community lose once more what possibly could have been a good tank because he was unable to be given the chance to see if he was good enough.

And again it may not bother you but maybe it would bother someone else.