Increased Droprate for Onion Knight/Puff of Darkness?

[Tayolynn]

I think it would be better if players couldn't roll on minions they already have but you can't really say it's unfair the way it is now. That person had a 1/24 chance and now you have a 1/24 chance. Not really anything unfair about that in my opinion.

That's good and all, but the unfairness pertains to, as stated by someone in this thread previously, someone who rolls on the puff or onion knight that they already have would have no choice but to toss it, when others who ran it countless times have that chance wasted by someone's carelessness or douchebaggery. It would be fair to have the opportunity to roll go towards only to those who don't have the minion. If this were the case, drop rate and rng wouldn't impact as much as how it is now.

[Evilkitten]

I don't mind it being some what difficult to obtain due to it's rarity. However, they are constantly increasing drop rates to mounts within trials and various other rates within the game for the sake of vanity. Yet for some reason these 2 minions receive nothing, I would love to see it in every run or maybe doing something to prevent people who already have it to roll again or even make the item tradeable.

It's one or the last 2 I need to collect in order to have a full set of minions so am getting a bit tired of having next to no chance of obtaining this minion. As some one pointed out, it isn't even need to progress the game so please please change something about it so those who wish to obtain have a better chance. ^^

[Ryuukishi]

That's good and all, but the unfairness pertains to, as stated by someone in this thread previously, someone who rolls on the puff or onion knight that they already have would have no choice but to toss it, when others who ran it countless times have that chance wasted by someone's carelessness or douchebaggery.

Right. Or even let people roll for it again, but then let them give it to another player, sell it on the MB, trade it in for seals, just something. It's ridiculous that right now you can roll for the minion, win it, and then be forced to destroy it because you literally can't do anything else with it. If the only reason to roll for the minion is to prevent someone else from having it, that shouldn't be allowed.

[Purrfectstorm]

That's good and all, but the unfairness pertains to, as stated by someone in this thread previously, someone who rolls on the puff or onion knight that they already have would have no choice but to toss it, when others who ran it countless times have that chance wasted by someone's carelessness or douchebaggery. It would be fair to have the opportunity to roll go towards only to those who don't have the minion. If this were the case, drop rate and rng wouldn't impact as much as how it is now.

As I already said, I don't disagree about those who have it not being able to roll on it. However, your two ideas: fairness and having a better chance at it than those who have already gotten it are contradictory. Even if all 23 people already have the minion and roll on it, your odds are no worse than what they would be if you were in the first group to ever clear those raids. You're not complaining about worse odds than other people (unfairness) you're complaining that you can't have better odds than those other people.

The problem comes from an idea that is morally subjective: that if others don't need that item then you are entitled to it. I don't see anything wrong with that concept by the way, it acts as a soft nerf to item drops and item drops should get easier over time. I just don't like concepts like unfairness being tossed around by players who have identical opportunities.

[Tayolynn]

As I already said, I don't disagree about those who have it not being able to roll on it. However, your two ideas: fairness and having a better chance at it than those who have already gotten it are contradictory. Even if all 23 people already have the minion and roll on it, your odds are no worse than what they would be if you were in the first group to ever clear those raids. You're not complaining about worse odds than other people (unfairness) you're complaining that you can't have better odds than those other people.
The problem comes from an idea that is morally subjective: that if others don't need that item then you are entitled to it. I don't see anything wrong with that concept by the way, it acts as a soft nerf to item drops and item drops should get easier over time. I just don't like concepts like unfairness being tossed around by players who have identical opportunities.

I'm saying that having the drop wasted through malicious or devious acts is an oversight that SE allowed which is considered not fair. If roll priority goes to those who don't have the minion was implemented from the start, this thread and debate wouldn't exist. Maybe I do feel entitled for a chance to roll since I don't have it yet. But when the day comes when I do get the minion, will I roll for it again? No, because I'm considerate to those who don't have it should have the priority of rolling on it. I'm quite offended that you're labeling my opinion as a complaint, since I feel my point of view is simply looking for the best interest of everyone. Although I'm unable to agree that your protection of identical opportunities is giving a huge leeway for those to wrongfully play with said opportunity, given the minions were released quite a while. If 23 people who already have the minion, roll for it, then all I see are 23 douchebags preventing that 1 sad person from getting it. My point of view of this goes beyond the simplicity of a minion drop. It entails with my attitude of common courtesy, being considerate of others, and the best interest of everyone, while having an equal amount of enjoyment and challenge.

I may be responding to your responses inaccurately, but it might be because I'm still having trouble seeing from your point of view and I have a feeling that this'll drag on and on with no common ground. But you're entitled to your opinion and if you still disagree with me, then it's fine. I don't want to force you to agree with me.

[Fenral]

I've seen the Puff more times than I've seen the tank chestpiece. Can that get a droprate buff instead?

[Grimmel]

I've seen the Puff more times than I've seen the tank chestpiece. Can that get a droprate buff instead?

Want to know something funny?

I have main tanked World of Darkness of Both PLD and WAR. Yet Tank pieces only drop when I'm on WAR. If I go PLD, the loot drops are like "Your well has long since dried up." Yet when I run on WAR it's like "HALLELUJAH IT'S RAINING TANK DROPS!" True story. :| Got close to my full set minus helm in 4 runs out of 10 I've been tanking in. Those four runs? I was WAR.

[Fenral]

Want to know something funny?

I have main tanked World of Darkness of Both PLD and WAR. Yet Tank pieces only drop when I'm on WAR. If I go PLD, the loot drops are like "Your well has long since dried up." Yet when I run on WAR it's like "HALLELUJAH IT'S RAINING TANK DROPS!" True story. :| Got close to my full set minus helm in 4 runs out of 10 I've been tanking in. Those four runs? I was WAR.

So I should 50 WAR first instead of even trying to farm as PLD? That doesn't surprise me.

As PLD all I see are belt, helm, and pants. And I think even my caster boots have caster boots, now.

[Grimmel]

So I should 50 WAR first instead of even trying to farm as PLD? That doesn't surprise me.

As PLD all I see are belt, helm, and pants. And I think even my caster boots have caster boots, now.

Pretty much. I was a bit taken a back as well by this infinite mystery.

As for the overall drop chance, I think it's fine the way it is. It's a vanity minion, it doesn't do anything, it's not needed for anything. Some items should be rarer than others. At least it's not a piece of gear that you need to progress. I collect all the minions so I understand that gameplay and what players feel they "need" varies but I'd rather have an impressive collection (because of the rarity of some items) than a massive collection that is the same as everyone else's.

So from what you're saying here; the Primal Ponies should have never gotten their drop rates increased either because guess what? They're purely vanity items as well.

All those primal ponies you farmed to get the Kirin should have never had their drop rates increased even though you only have to roll against 7 other people to win it.

Yet you're saying these two minions, also vanity items; shouldn't have their drop rates increased even when you're rolling against 23 other people.

I dunno but that seems pretty wrong from my point of view.

Let me remind you that it is FAR easier to get 7 like minded individuals to go on a primal pony farm for everyone to get a pony, than it is to get 23 like minded individuals all from the same server to farm possibly and quite literally over 100 runs of World of Darkness and Syrcus Tower so everyone can get their minions.

Your logic is flawed.

[Tint]

yes, ponies should have never gotten their drop rates increased, because now you get your kirin the easy way and in the end the kirin is only one mount between many others. not the outstandig, rare super-mount with own title and stuff. only a shiny pony with an strange head... if you spent months to get kirin and now that droprate... i can understand if people quit the game. what's next? i am grinding 1 mio mgp for the fenrir mount and next patch it will only cost the half? or even less? why should i EVER spend my time to get the rare vanity items when square probably gift them to everyone only a few months later.

but the minions in st/wod are another story because it will be very hard to find the 23 other people to get inside these dungeons once 3.0 is released. but it is okay to roll against these 23 other people v.v/ it's not really harder to roll against 23 or 7 people. in both cases you will need a 90+ to win.