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    Quote Originally Posted by Tayolynn View Post
    That's good and all, but the unfairness pertains to, as stated by someone in this thread previously, someone who rolls on the puff or onion knight that they already have would have no choice but to toss it, when others who ran it countless times have that chance wasted by someone's carelessness or douchebaggery. It would be fair to have the opportunity to roll go towards only to those who don't have the minion. If this were the case, drop rate and rng wouldn't impact as much as how it is now.
    As I already said, I don't disagree about those who have it not being able to roll on it. However, your two ideas: fairness and having a better chance at it than those who have already gotten it are contradictory. Even if all 23 people already have the minion and roll on it, your odds are no worse than what they would be if you were in the first group to ever clear those raids. You're not complaining about worse odds than other people (unfairness) you're complaining that you can't have better odds than those other people.

    The problem comes from an idea that is morally subjective: that if others don't need that item then you are entitled to it. I don't see anything wrong with that concept by the way, it acts as a soft nerf to item drops and item drops should get easier over time. I just don't like concepts like unfairness being tossed around by players who have identical opportunities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Purrfectstorm View Post
    As I already said, I don't disagree about those who have it not being able to roll on it. However, your two ideas: fairness and having a better chance at it than those who have already gotten it are contradictory. Even if all 23 people already have the minion and roll on it, your odds are no worse than what they would be if you were in the first group to ever clear those raids. You're not complaining about worse odds than other people (unfairness) you're complaining that you can't have better odds than those other people.
    The problem comes from an idea that is morally subjective: that if others don't need that item then you are entitled to it. I don't see anything wrong with that concept by the way, it acts as a soft nerf to item drops and item drops should get easier over time. I just don't like concepts like unfairness being tossed around by players who have identical opportunities.
    I'm saying that having the drop wasted through malicious or devious acts is an oversight that SE allowed which is considered not fair. If roll priority goes to those who don't have the minion was implemented from the start, this thread and debate wouldn't exist. Maybe I do feel entitled for a chance to roll since I don't have it yet. But when the day comes when I do get the minion, will I roll for it again? No, because I'm considerate to those who don't have it should have the priority of rolling on it. I'm quite offended that you're labeling my opinion as a complaint, since I feel my point of view is simply looking for the best interest of everyone. Although I'm unable to agree that your protection of identical opportunities is giving a huge leeway for those to wrongfully play with said opportunity, given the minions were released quite a while. If 23 people who already have the minion, roll for it, then all I see are 23 douchebags preventing that 1 sad person from getting it. My point of view of this goes beyond the simplicity of a minion drop. It entails with my attitude of common courtesy, being considerate of others, and the best interest of everyone, while having an equal amount of enjoyment and challenge.

    I may be responding to your responses inaccurately, but it might be because I'm still having trouble seeing from your point of view and I have a feeling that this'll drag on and on with no common ground. But you're entitled to your opinion and if you still disagree with me, then it's fine. I don't want to force you to agree with me.
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    Last edited by Tayolynn; 05-15-2015 at 07:29 AM.