Increased Droprate for Onion Knight/Puff of Darkness?

[Ditto]

I think the biggest problem with them is how people who already have them, can still roll on them.

Why is that even a thing? As if rolling against an entire alliance isn't bad enough, you have people who already have the thing still rolling on it, and adding more competition for those who actually don't have it, or even outright taking it from them.

[seida]

I think the biggest problem with them is how people who already have them, can still roll on them.

Why is that even a thing? As if rolling against an entire alliance isn't bad enough, you have people who already have the thing still rolling on it, and adding more competition for those who actually don't have it, or even outright taking it from them.

Yes! They are non tradeable and non sellable, so literally the only thing you can do if you get a second one is throw it away.

Someone in my fc accidentally rolled on a second one and won it... she felt terrible, but you can't even give it away.

If you have already "used" the minion, you should not be able to roll.

[Ryuukishi]

Yes! They are non tradeable and non sellable, so literally the only thing you can do if you get a second one is throw it away.

Someone in my fc accidentally rolled on a second one and won it... she felt terrible, but you can't even give it away.

If you have already "used" the minion, you should not be able to roll.

Agree with this.

I have both minions, but I used to keep rolling on them because I thought I could give it away to someone in my FC. Later I realized that they're untradeable, which made me very glad I never actually won another copy. I would have been mortified if I had won one and then been forced to just discard it.

[ReddAxel]

I think the biggest problem with them is how people who already have them, can still roll on them.

Why is that even a thing? As if rolling against an entire alliance isn't bad enough, you have people who already have the thing still rolling on it, and adding more competition for those who actually don't have it, or even outright taking it from them.

I know someone who's done that, they had the Onion Knight minion and rolled on another anyways. They won that second one too. Whether it was an accident or on purpose, made my jaw drop at the level of stupidity some people can sink to.

That and the fact that the droprates are so low are the reasons why I'll never get either minion (and my crap rolls).

[Tayolynn]

It's concerning that SE allowed the function of players being able to roll on minions they already have. You would think that they would wonder, "Hey can players still roll on these minions even though they have it already? We should do something about that to enforce fairness for those who don't have it."

But no, perhaps Japan has become a land of sugars and rainbows and thought that no one would ever do that. *sarcastic voice*

I don't have the Puff minion yet because I always roll nothing higher than 50, and at this point, with the fail groups and good ol' SNG (Sh**ty Number Generator), I give up.

[Purrfectstorm]

It's concerning that SE allowed the function of players being able to roll on minions they already have. You would think that they would wonder, "Hey can players still roll on these minions even though they have it already? We should do something about that to enforce fairness for those who don't have it."

I think it would be better if players couldn't roll on minions they already have but you can't really say it's unfair the way it is now. That person had a 1/24 chance and now you have a 1/24 chance. Not really anything unfair about that in my opinion.

As for the overall drop chance, I think it's fine the way it is. It's a vanity minion, it doesn't do anything, it's not needed for anything. Some items should be rarer than others. At least it's not a piece of gear that you need to progress. I collect all the minions so I understand that gameplay and what players feel they "need" varies but I'd rather have an impressive collection (because of the rarity of some items) than a massive collection that is the same as everyone else's.

[Tayolynn]

I think it would be better if players couldn't roll on minions they already have but you can't really say it's unfair the way it is now. That person had a 1/24 chance and now you have a 1/24 chance. Not really anything unfair about that in my opinion.

That's good and all, but the unfairness pertains to, as stated by someone in this thread previously, someone who rolls on the puff or onion knight that they already have would have no choice but to toss it, when others who ran it countless times have that chance wasted by someone's carelessness or douchebaggery. It would be fair to have the opportunity to roll go towards only to those who don't have the minion. If this were the case, drop rate and rng wouldn't impact as much as how it is now.

[Ryuukishi]

That's good and all, but the unfairness pertains to, as stated by someone in this thread previously, someone who rolls on the puff or onion knight that they already have would have no choice but to toss it, when others who ran it countless times have that chance wasted by someone's carelessness or douchebaggery.

Right. Or even let people roll for it again, but then let them give it to another player, sell it on the MB, trade it in for seals, just something. It's ridiculous that right now you can roll for the minion, win it, and then be forced to destroy it because you literally can't do anything else with it. If the only reason to roll for the minion is to prevent someone else from having it, that shouldn't be allowed.

[Purrfectstorm]

That's good and all, but the unfairness pertains to, as stated by someone in this thread previously, someone who rolls on the puff or onion knight that they already have would have no choice but to toss it, when others who ran it countless times have that chance wasted by someone's carelessness or douchebaggery. It would be fair to have the opportunity to roll go towards only to those who don't have the minion. If this were the case, drop rate and rng wouldn't impact as much as how it is now.

As I already said, I don't disagree about those who have it not being able to roll on it. However, your two ideas: fairness and having a better chance at it than those who have already gotten it are contradictory. Even if all 23 people already have the minion and roll on it, your odds are no worse than what they would be if you were in the first group to ever clear those raids. You're not complaining about worse odds than other people (unfairness) you're complaining that you can't have better odds than those other people.

The problem comes from an idea that is morally subjective: that if others don't need that item then you are entitled to it. I don't see anything wrong with that concept by the way, it acts as a soft nerf to item drops and item drops should get easier over time. I just don't like concepts like unfairness being tossed around by players who have identical opportunities.

[Tayolynn]

As I already said, I don't disagree about those who have it not being able to roll on it. However, your two ideas: fairness and having a better chance at it than those who have already gotten it are contradictory. Even if all 23 people already have the minion and roll on it, your odds are no worse than what they would be if you were in the first group to ever clear those raids. You're not complaining about worse odds than other people (unfairness) you're complaining that you can't have better odds than those other people.
The problem comes from an idea that is morally subjective: that if others don't need that item then you are entitled to it. I don't see anything wrong with that concept by the way, it acts as a soft nerf to item drops and item drops should get easier over time. I just don't like concepts like unfairness being tossed around by players who have identical opportunities.

I'm saying that having the drop wasted through malicious or devious acts is an oversight that SE allowed which is considered not fair. If roll priority goes to those who don't have the minion was implemented from the start, this thread and debate wouldn't exist. Maybe I do feel entitled for a chance to roll since I don't have it yet. But when the day comes when I do get the minion, will I roll for it again? No, because I'm considerate to those who don't have it should have the priority of rolling on it. I'm quite offended that you're labeling my opinion as a complaint, since I feel my point of view is simply looking for the best interest of everyone. Although I'm unable to agree that your protection of identical opportunities is giving a huge leeway for those to wrongfully play with said opportunity, given the minions were released quite a while. If 23 people who already have the minion, roll for it, then all I see are 23 douchebags preventing that 1 sad person from getting it. My point of view of this goes beyond the simplicity of a minion drop. It entails with my attitude of common courtesy, being considerate of others, and the best interest of everyone, while having an equal amount of enjoyment and challenge.

I may be responding to your responses inaccurately, but it might be because I'm still having trouble seeing from your point of view and I have a feeling that this'll drag on and on with no common ground. But you're entitled to your opinion and if you still disagree with me, then it's fine. I don't want to force you to agree with me.