Take it easy on the Nerfing :/

[Goodberry]

After 18 years of playing MMOs (starting from Ultima Online) while having a busy life at the same time, I've noticed that the most common annoyance of these games are the guys who want everything in a game be "challenging".
The guys for whom nothing - as long as it is IN A GAME, mind you - is ever hard enough. For them, "noobs", "casuals", "bads" etc. have simply to go to hell, stop playing games and stick to TV.
The guys who have been blessed with young age, fast reflexes, unlimited time to play and people who pay their bills.
Then some years pass, and most of them have to understand what a CHALLENGE is.

[Jamein]

After 18 years of playing MMOs (starting from Ultima Online) while having a busy life at the same time, I've noticed that the most common annoyance of these games are the guys who want everything in a game be "challenging".
The guys for whom nothing - as long as it is IN A GAME, mind you - is ever hard enough. For them, "noobs", "casuals", "bads" etc. have simply to go to hell, stop playing games and stick to TV.
The guys who have been blessed with young age, fast reflexes, unlimited time to play and people who pay their bills.
Then some years pass, and most of them have to understand what a CHALLENGE is.

Wow, aren't you a stereotyping, condescending waste of forum space.
They say those 'elitists' who look down on those not clearing content are bad, then there are people like you on the other side of the coin who proclaim anyone who likes a challenge is some douchebag, mothers basement dwelling, drain on society.

Better go give your head a shake, some of us like the hard content and guess what, we have full time jobs, houses, cars, kids (not me thank god) and plenty of other commitments. We just don't use it as an excuse and play around it.

[Goodberry]

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I know I am stereotyping, but where there is an annoyance there is also someone annoyed (in this case, me). As I don't have either the time (I can play just some hours on weekends) , the age or (any more) the reflexes "optimal" for what the likes of you deem a "good" player, I have been stereotyped AND insulted (in games) for some years now. I'm simply fed up with that. Just play your "challenging" content and let the likes of me have our "unchallenging" one. WHAT THE HECK, AT LEAST THE MAIN STORY THAT'S MANDATORY to continue playing the game. We're not asking for the Moon.

What's intolerable, for me, is that players like you will have surely beaten Steps of Faith on first day (I did myself, so I am advocating other people's cause here) and probably will never do it any more (I sure won't - what would be the point in repeating a fight that manages to be both dull and chaotic, with no rewards?), but still you'd want less "lucky" players continue to be gated behind it!

[NovaWulfe]

I will summarize my experiences with SOF pre nerf as follows,

Attempt 1: Tank immediately asks to be kicked, says "AFK 30 minutes" when we refuse, group falls apart.

Attempt 2: After the first wipe, a healer leaves, and because one person left everyone else starts to leave.

This was not fun, this was not a challenge, and this is why we can't have nice things.

[Iromi]

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I think you are using the word casual for bad.

I can use my bf as an example. His playtimes are 'casual' meaning he is a full time student with not much playtime. He has over 50m Gil, all Lucis tools, cleared the coils, has zeta weapon, etc. People just have poor time management skills or are bad players.

How is it that he has hardly any playtime and yet has 'accomplished' more then those who complain about the game who have all the free time in the world? He also runs our fc and organizes statics...all while going to a very demanding school. I am so tried of the "I dont have time to play and do things so the game should bend to my needs' mentality.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I think you are using the word casual for bad.

I can use my bf as an example. His playtimes are 'casual' meaning he is a full time student with not much playtime. He has over 50m Gil, all Lucis tools, cleared the coils, has zeta weapon, etc. People just have poor time management skills or are bad players.

How is it that he has hardly any playtime and yet has 'accomplished' more then those who complain about the game who have all the free time in the world? He also runs our fc and organizes statics...all while going to a very demanding school. I am so tried of the "I dont have time to play and do things so the game should bend to my needs' mentality.

"Casual" and "Hardcore" are hard to define.

The generally accepted definition is the following:

Casuals don't raid endgame content in a static. As a consequence they rely on nerfs and/or carries to clear what otherwise it would be impossible for them.

If your bf is in a static raiding at specific times tackling the endgame of each given content update, he is not a casual - no matter how much he plays in terms of number of hours.

[Maero]

"Casual" and "Hardcore" are hard to define.

The generally accepted definition is the following:

Casuals don't raid endgame content in a static. As a consequence they rely on nerfs and/or carries to clear what otherwise it would be impossible for them.

I disagree, sorry
Casual can also mean those who actually work for a living and don't spend all days of the week playing FFXIV and raiding.
Our FC can be considered casual, but we do raid twice a week we just do not have the time that others have.
I would not 100% say that "hardcore" are those who have completed coil and such before nerfs, most likely they just have had more time on their hands.
Nerfs on the other hand only happen because of those that want gear and such but do not bother learning fights. Like this recent sof nerf, the very first day of patch that it was introduced people were complaining on the difficulty when it actually is not hard at all. Ak was nerfed like what 3 times because of such players and Quarn and other dungeons as well. It is sad to be honest.

[Dragoon4life]

Money DUH! Stuff gets nerfed, because they want players to keep playing. More playing = Money. as far as challenge the stuff that's supposed to be hard is still hard. EX Primals and Coils. there's still a ton stuck on Turn 5 and don't get me started on how many are stuck on T9. those that need the nerf aren't hurting high end game raiding. like all MMOs there a business. more players = more money = a healthy game = which leads into new content.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

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And this is why I said that defining "casual" and "hardcore" is complicated.

I am tired of hearing people saying "We work for a living, we don't spend all days of the week playing games, we have a life, THUS we are casuals".
This is wrong on so many levels, mainly on the fact that you are implying all "progression" statics who define themselves "hardcore" don't "work for a living" and "play all days of the week". This is simply a misconception at best, and a childish excuse at worst.

No matter how many hours you put into something, a bad player remains a bad player. Do not misunderstand: experience in an encounter is CRUCIAL, but it is not all. Awareness, hand-eye coordination, quick thinking, reflexes, knowledge of your job and skill of your raid leader are all factors that cannot be ignored.

Nothing is black and white - there are plenty of grey areas inbetween, and plenty of playstyles.
In the end it does not matter which label you believe fits for you - it all boils down to this:

Either you have the commitment to be good at something, or you don't.

No matter if you play 24/24 7/7 or just a few hours a week. What matters is what you aim to achieve while playing, and what your priorities are. Also not being technologically impaired helps quite a bit.

[Iromi]

"Casual" and "Hardcore" are hard to define.

The generally accepted definition is the following:

Casuals don't raid endgame content in a static. As a consequence they rely on nerfs and/or carries to clear what otherwise it would be impossible for them.

If your bf is in a static raiding at specific times tackling the endgame of each given content update, he is not a casual - no matter how much he plays in terms of number of hours.

Nope, he does not have a static.

And who are you to say that the challenge/titles itself isn't worth someone's time? Welcome to the real world.

The fact that SE themselves said that no one is doing savage like they expected should speak for itself. As for me, personally, I will play anything regardless of its reward at least once, because its fun. To me, a game is about having fun. I am speaking about what SE said when they brought it up in the live letter. I'll believe them over anyone else , as they have access to data, clears, and how many times people attempt something. So that, is who I am to say that.