Take it easy on the Nerfing :/

[Elusana_Celah]

What about players who want a challenge, but started the game too late?

That's what happened with me. I was trying desperately to keep a stable static together to clear FCoB cuz I started the game very late and T13 ends up getting an echo nerf before I was able to clear it... then wouldn't you know I'm able to finally clear it after the echo nerf and even though you can turn off the echo buff, good luck getting people to agree to do it just so you can have an un-nerfed clear.

It may make me sound like a loser but I was extremely upset and nearly quit this game over not being able to clear the final coil turn before SE came down on it with an echo nerf and trust me that 10% echo really eased the fight because the fight is all about high HP and a tight DPS check. Oh well, no one particularly cares if you are a player who enjoys a challenge here, everyone is 100% pro-nerf.

[Spiritreaver1217]

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Liked and agreed with the whole post

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I can sympathize completely with your situation with the toned-down raid. You wanted to experience the full-tilt version and are saddened that you 'missed the boat' so to speak. Again get you 100%.

What i personally don't agree with and will possibly cause some to take umbrage at is the assertion you make in your second post that everyone OK with the SoF adjustment is automatically for nerfing the whole game into the ground as you state at the very end. Which is false btw. It is not an all or nothing thing here, i mean you even say it yourself in the first post.

Optional content can be old-school, Phantasy Star on crack hard. And it should be. And folks that want that should be able to enjoy it as much as they like. Required content, not so much-it should be designed for the greater majority of players. Its not like the two ideas have to be mutually exclusive and can't both be implemented in the same game. Right?

[kyuven]

Required content, not so much-it should be designed for the greater majority of players. Its not like the two ideas have to be mutually exclusive and can't both be implemented in the same game.

Exactly! This is why the Extremes, Savages, Coils, and side-content such as Odin were created in the first place. Hard content should exist, but not everything needs to be hard.

[Elusana_Celah]

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It's just a feeling that I get and feelings are not always right and I am glad people are telling me I am wrong it will make me feel better regarding this whole thing. I only hope I have time to slowly enjoy 3.0 story and its casual content because I don't want to rush to end game just to try to beat out inevitable nerfs. I've only been playing FFXIV for 6 months now and I didn't start doing coils until February. I like to take it slow through stories and exploring new lands but once I'm at end game I want to work through the optional raid content with other people and try to achieve victory against the odds.

I really don't know how long I have after 3.0 before nerfs happen again with that raid content but I don't want to feel pressured to rush through all the content just to get to end game before nerfs happen because that will destroy my immersion and enjoyment of the game world.

Again, I am speaking as someone who really hasn't been around SE long enough to understand how they do things that is why my post just now may sound overly paranoid. If someone can ease my paranoia a bit instead of taking my post as if I'm stating facts which I am not.

[Kallera]

It may make me sound like a loser but I was extremely upset and nearly quit this game over not being able to clear the final coil turn before SE came down on it with an echo nerf and trust me that 10% echo really eased the fight...

I found SCoB frustrating to go through on several levels, by the time i cleared t8 i was considering quitting. We are both paying money and I take it we're both in fcob. I'm happy to finally enjoy it, even with echo, after having to go through hell to get to it.

My problem with coil is that it was designed to have no alternatives. FCS were stuck making statics or having folks get benched, friends were abandoned, and people started blaming each other and being conceited.

Challenge means different things to different people. A lot of people that play don't have the interest to spoil themselves with research, or even know where to research without spoilers. Some do, but do not care for peers inadvertently stepping on them with the latest tirade against "you people", some have seen the arguments and figure raiding the road to drama.

Will I care about Alex as much as coil? As a 1.0 player, probably not. Understanding what happened in 1.0's end of an era was a goal for me since t5. I'm not sure what I'll have at the end of t13, but the end, and relating and speculating with friends is what I'm looking for, not being perpetually left out for e-peens sake.

[Jamein]

FCS were stuck making statics or having folks get benched, friends were abandoned, and people started blaming each other and being conceited.

I blame those players, not the content. I never abandoned my friends and most people I know who do end game raiding don't either. My FC is not a hardcore one, they are on T12 and they never go to the next turn till about 90% of the FC has cleared the previous turn, as for me I have a static so I had everything down before they set foot in it, but do I stop going to FC raids to help them out? No I don't. I still go, I still offer help. This last week I put together a group of FC members to teach them and take them through t13, they downed it last night. If others in the FC want the same I'll take my own time to teach them the mechanics and get them through it. So while you may have had negative experiences, stop saying all this like this is what happens to everyone all the time.

Challenge means different things to different people. A lot of people that play don't have the interest to spoil themselves with research, or even know where to research without spoilers. Some do, but do not care for peers inadvertently stepping on them, some have seen the arguments and figure raiding the road to drama.

Again with this bleak picture of how the entire community looks down on people I think you need to find new friends or move server if this is how your gaming experience has been.

Will I care about Alex as much as coil? As a 1.0 player, probably not. Putting it behind me was a goal since t5. I'm not sure what I'll have at the end, but the end, and relating and speculating with friends is what I'm looking for, not being left out.

Why must you be left out? If you want to do the content go make a static if you really want it, or join an FC that doesn't focus on progression but still gets the content down whether its 6 months later or not. They are out there. You make lots of PF groups, you find the good players you get along with you become friends with them, you see if people want to play together more.

Also before anyone says they don't have time for a static (not saying you will), just stop. You're not going for world firsts here, you just want the content done. So you can go once/twice a week if you don't care about the speed, just the progression.

I have said this time and time again, this game doesn't require some magical skill set you are born with, just experience and practice. If you want to down content, then you get better at your class, you learn the mechanics and you do it. Nothing is stopping you. If that doesn't sound like fun for you then great, this game has a cheeseboard of funsies for you to do anyway.

Locking story behind coil was a bad move on SE's part. I agree on that though.

[Kallera]

I have said this time and time again, this game doesn't require some magical skill set you are born with, just experience and practice. If you want to down content, then you get better at your class, you learn the mechanics and you do it. Nothing is stopping you. If that doesn't sound like fun for you then great, this game has a cheeseboard of funsies for you to do anyway.

Locking story behind coil was a bad move on SE's part. I agree on that though.

My own situation has gotten much better, yes. that's not to say every other experience didn't exist. If I had an axe to grind why wouldn't it be for coil? If a certain content proves more "frustrating" than "hard", do you think I'll ask for more of it?

The tightrope se walks with nerfs and releases are so that people aren't bottlenecked from enjoying content. That isn't quite what the forum crowd shares, but the forum crowd can't control what priorities people have.
You can't force "the bad" to be a botanist.

[Jamein]

My own situation has gotten much better, yes. that's not to say every other experience didn't exist.

I am in no way shape or form saying that it didn't however as I said in my post if all of that happened to you, that isn't the 'norm' I've personally never seen it happen and all I can say is those people you were playing with were at fault.
I am however glad to hear your situation has improved.

We always hear the horror stories of douchebags and those who leave others behind because those are the stories to tell, no one ever says anything about the quiet guys who come in and basically carry the groups but say next to nothing and then go on their way with a casual /wave goodbye. Those stories aren't fun to tell.