Take it easy on the Nerfing :/

[SDaemon]

I'm just glad that I got to experience SoF pre-nerf.

I keep seeing people say this like downing SoF pre-nerf is some sort of monumental achievement and that people downing it now have missed out on something glorious. It is a simple trial to finish the MSQ, not some super leet end-game encounter that tested you in every way.

[Anapingofness]

I keep seeing people say this like downing SoF pre-nerf is some sort of monumental achievement and that people downing it now have missed out on something glorious. It is a simple trial to finish the MSQ, not some super leet end-game encounter that tested you in every way.

It isn't that SoF pre-nerf is a monumental achievement or anything of that sort. It always was a fairly simple trial to finsh MSQ. However for me, SoF pre-nerf offered a certain.... je ne sais quoi- uhh ambiance? impact? I can't really find the words to explain at the moment but... I felt as if pre-nerf it really showed just why Ishgard was having so much trouble with the Dravinians.
The current SoF doesn't really have the same feeling, at least it doesn't to me that is.
Nevertheless, I am glad that players can get through SoF and finish up the MSQ in a reasonable amount of time.

[SDaemon]

It isn't that SoF pre-nerf is a monumental achievement or anything of that sort. It always was a fairly simple trial to finsh MSQ. However for me, SoF pre-nerf offered a certain.... je ne sais quoi- uhh ambiance? impact? I can't really find the words to explain at the moment but... I felt as if pre-nerf it really showed just why Ishard was having so much trouble with the Dravinians.
The current SoF doesn't really have the same feeling, at least it doesn't to me that is.
Nevertheless, I am glad that players can get through SoF and finish up the MSQ in a reasonable amount of time.

No worries. I apologize if it came off as a personal attack. Its just something I've noticed in all the anti-nerf threads that have mentioned SoF.

[Anapingofness]

No worries. I apologize if it came off as a personal attack. Its just something I've noticed in all the anti-nerf threads that have mentioned SoF.

It's all good. ^^
I know what you mean. Some people can get like that haha

[Niwashi]

Nerfing old content is good (2-3 main patches old).

The problem with this is that it assumes the people who get to it when it first comes out are the ones who want difficult fights and the ones who get to it later are the ones who want easier fights. But people's schedules and their playstyle preferences don't necessarily correlate that way.


A better option is to add a nerfed version and offer it alongside the harder (original) version and let people choose which they'd rather do. But people need to be able to complete it, see everything there is to see, and get all of its loot and rewards regardless of which they pick. (The harder version could have things like better drop rates for its better gear, higher numbers of quantifiable rewards, or perhaps it could have an exclusive achievement and title, but shouldn't have different loot or rewards, or it becomes a separate task unrelated to the easier version of the "same" content.)

This isn't what SE did with Story Mode / Hard Mode / Extreme Mode. Those are significantly different, with rewards different enough that nobody can pick which to do based on what they like to do. They have only one option for whatever it is they're trying to accomplish. Essentially, these aren't different modes of a dungeon or trial; they're separate dungeons / trials that just share some common art assets.

It remains to be seen how the Normal and Hard modes of Alexander will fit into this, whether they'll be two unrelated raids or one with multiple difficulty options. I'm hoping for the later, but it would be a divergence from what SE has done so far.

If you want challenge, do content when it's new.

Ok, so the solution to anyone who wants challenging content is to invent a time machine so they can go back to when each piece of content was new before doing it. Good luck on that. The problem is that when people reach content has no particular relation to how they like to play it.

[Iromi]

No one does Savage because the reward is nothing worth the trouble. A title? Really? :x Not worth the effort ^^;

[SDaemon]

No one does Savage because the reward is nothing worth the trouble. A title? Really? :x Not worth the effort ^^;

So a challenge without superior gear rewards is a challenge not worth taking, despite the desire for a challenge?

[Iromi]

So a challenge without superior gear rewards is challenge not worth taking, despite the desire for a challenge?

Not sure what world you live in...but people are not going to do something like that that offers no reward at all, because guess what? No one is going to waste their time for something that is not beneficial to their time.

Wow (not the game). This is rich. It's practically saying: "Square Enix, cater to MY needs NOW because I could start playing your game six months from now!"

Um..no. That is what the other person was saying. I am basically saying that the content should stay the same. LOL It goes both ways. I don't think you quite understand what is going on...are you sure you are still in this conversation? That is way in left field. You are basically describing yourself.

[SDaemon]

Not sure what world you live in...but people are not going to do something like that that offers no reward at all, because guess what? No one is going to waste their time for something that is not beneficial to their time.

And who are you to say that the challenge/titles itself isn't worth someone's time? Welcome to the real world.

[Goodberry]

...Um..no. That is what the other person was saying. I am basically saying that the content should stay the same. LOL It goes both ways. I don't think you quite understand what is going on...are you sure you are still in this conversation? That is way in left field. You are basically describing yourself.

Don't worry. I understand what is going on, am still in this conversation, and am not describing myself.
AND I had got your point that "content should stay the same". It's exactly what I am arguing against. In a MMO game, content should change in time.