Take it easy on the Nerfing :/

[Asierid]

And the last couple most popular RPGs are Dark Souls 2 and Bloodborne. What's the point?

Both of which are not MMOs and are completely different types of games. I fail to see what you are trying to do with this example, it makes no sense.

[ruskie]

I don't mind well thought out nerfs. Even echo is fine. But basically steps is a joke now. 50% health BEFORE the first gate(10% after the second). It's like congratulations you just beat the fight and you can ignore ALL the mechanics in this fight. Just burn.

We ran steps with quite a few FC members that are mostly casual - after the nerfs we ran it for a few more. The people that were casual went: This is no fun anymore... I liked a bit of a challenge before.

[SirSaber]

FCoB wasn't nerfed technically, the players received a buff that you can turn off and do the FCoB the normal way.

Steps of Faith is a mess, there is no challenge to it not like FCoB.
It's only a coordination trial, if you're coordinated you win, if you aren't you loose.
And let's face it, when you get PUGed with dudes you don't know it's like being snared foot to foot with 7 guys and trying to run in sync, in other words it's hard.

SoF got a nerf because a lot of people had almost no coordination skills.

And why do so many people care? Was SoF the fight where the devs put the most effort to make? Was it the most awesome fight you saw in FF14 ?
No. So if they nerf the heck out of this fight it matters not because it's a main story fight and it should not hinder players from getting to advance in their scenario quest line.

[Shadray]

Steps had to be nerfed, they done want to start selling an xpac people can't access because they can't progress. SE would lose money that way.

[SongJoohee]

This is a very worrying step for SE to take.

Steps wasn't even hard. It needed a small amount of communication, somewhere along the lines of: "Who is MT? Who is on Cannons? Who is on Dragon Killer?" and other than that it's a tank and spank, almost quite literally.

The fact that half!!! the player-base were apparently incapable of doing such a trial is absurd, and goes to show what SEs policies of banning people who criticizing other players skill level for "harrasment" has done.

I guess in the future we should just expect all story to be even more derp mode than the story content already is.

I literally linked a news report from 6 days ago stating they lost 3 million people in 3 months. If they weren't taking a financial hit, they wouldn't also be raising the subscription rate in certain regions. Also Google "WoW Subscription Rate" and you get pretty much the same numbers since Blizzard does release their subscription rates quarterly.

Seems MMO Champion made a nice graph up to WoD: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...on-Subscribers

World of WarCraft is in absolutely no sort of danger. They lose 3m subs as you would expect the after the first month of an expansion and guess what? They still have 7m subscribers. That, just for the record is over 10x what FF XIV has.

Subscription costs naturally go up over time, as inflation takes effect.

[AdamFyi]

Steps wasn't even hard. It needed a small amount of communication, somewhere along the lines of: "Who is MT? Who is on Cannons? Who is on Dragon Killer?" and other than that it's a tank and spank, almost quite literally.

This was already discussed before. Apparently communicating with your party members is too hard, but in on some scenarios it is understandable; difficult because of the language barrier. Also, Vishap's foot makes a mean adventurer pancake.

[Gamer3427]

Apparently communicating with your party members is too hard

If you're mocking people saying such, then clearly you either only run with pre-formed groups, or you have the luckiest DF combinations you can get. I find it rare that a DF group is willing to communicate, and even rarer when they're willing to help players who haven't done whichever run they're in before. Most just try to rush ahead and get it done with quickly and proceed to bash the new players for not knowing what they should be doing even though they have no reason they should know what they're doing, before rage quitting after just a couple of failed attempts with no effort made to help resolve the issue beyond blaming everyone but themselves. Truth be told, now that I think about it it's no wonder there are so few players willing to talk, since the elitist, speed running, players instantly go straight to bashing on anyone who does anything slightly differently than how they would like.....

[Lamentations]

If you're mocking people saying such, then clearly you either only run with pre-formed groups, or you have the luckiest DF combinations you can get. I find it rare that a DF group is willing to communicate, and even rarer when they're willing to help players who haven't done whichever run their in before. Most just try to rush ahead and get it done with quickly and proceed to bash the new players for not knowing what they should be doing even though they have no reason the should know what they're doing,

Except they do have a reason they should know what their doing, it's called "FFXIV you-tube memorization or gtfo of here online", because your wasting "our" time.

Meanwhile hardcores scream bloody murder about content nerfs, hmm isn't having forehand knowledge of a fight sorta making it easier?, guess that's twice off-topic now.

This doesn't sound very "hardcore" to me, or casual for that matter, I don't consider watching you-tube into wee hours of the night "casual".

Hardcore I suppose "if" your the content "first" clear group, who then makes the video, everyone else claiming hardcore status because they memorized a video are to me just hot air.

The guys/gals who did it "first", "cold", those are the "real" deals.

Long threads about who's actually wasting who's time on this matter have already been argued, I hate this you-tube warrior or gtfo mentality.

This is just another reason, (a big one imo), that community is so unwilling to help, and are so acidic and/or so unsocial.

The only reason I probably wont ever be forced out of my FC for commiting the ultimate sin of not having memorized every instance before I get to it is, my son is the FC leader.

And he refuses to do it either.

We either learn it the hard way cold, or we gtfo, as a FC at least.

Wonder sometimes what happened to chat, or now headsets in games, well no matter, if you have it you-tube stamped on your brain, who cares?.

[AdamFyi]

If you're mocking people saying such, then clearly you either only run with pre-formed groups, or you have the luckiest DF combinations you can get.

You missed the sarcasm on the first part of the sentence. You'd think that making it italics would make it obvious, but nope.

Anyway, this fight is all about communication. You yourself gave yourself an answer; communication in some DF groups is terrible. This is why the Steps of Faith is such a unique case when it comes to discussion. It is by far the first encounter in the MSQ where you are forced to communicate and no amount of skill will help you there. You get players from both sides with toxic and elitist behavior. "Screw you, I do what I want," is the most common denominator from both parties.

[Fyce]

Anyway, this fight is all about communication.

Communication never turned bad players into good players.

The only communication needed in SoF (before nerfs) was to assign roles and tell what each role had to do. After that, it all falls into the hands of each individual player to be good at their assigned role.
Getting in a DF with bad players who can't do their job properly would way more often than not lead to a failed SoF run. And that happened a lot.

Initial communication was important, yes, but it never was the only key to victory in the end. You needed communication and at least average players.
No communication or below average player and your run would be a failure.

You clearly didn't run it enough in DF if you don't understand why I'm saying that.