Any idea what is in patch 2.57?

[Yona87]

Stop nerfing things to the ground.
I was very upset when they nerfed SCOB and added echo for no apparent reason.
Why were people able to clear it prior to nerfing it?
Because they put hard work and effort into learning the fight and overcoming hard mechanics.
Why should it be catered towards casuals who have no intent to improve themselves and at least watch the video and learn the fight?
It truly disgusts me how people expect and demand the content to be nerfed.

[Miste]

It truly disgusts me

This world we call Earth has way more worse things to be disgusted by than a mere video game....you aught to think about your priorities a bit...

I am also a raider but honestly, nerfs going to happen when the content becomes outdated. The hard work we put into clearing the content when it was new and offered the best gear was...well we get the best gear at the time and get to wear it and have enjoyed the fun of clearing it when it was more difficult...Yes fun, cause if you aren't having any fun you're doing it wrong :/

They eventually nerf it so that more casual players can complete the content before new content is released since well being locked behind T5, T9 etc makes you unable to complete the Coil story. Just because they are not hardcore gamers doesn't mean they don't support this game also. A lot of the FFXIV community are more casual type players and they are paying subs just like us. Just because you assume all casuals are players who don't want to improve doesn't make it true...

I mean I don't even mind if they nerf it a month or so before a new major content patch....I already beat it when it was difficult why not let others enjoy the amazing work SE put into coil bosses and story at an easier pace for them, be it cause they just do not have as much time to play to perfect their jobs or gear or just cause they might not be as experienced at gaming in general. Yeah some players might just want it nerfed cause they want to win while goofing off but well to each their own they may only be interested in the story and not the fights.

Not everyone has the same reasons to play, but it is nice when SE makes an effort to try to include everyone and many different types of players. You should not be worrying about random other players progression....just your own fun.

[Yona87]

This world we call Earth has way more worse things to be disgusted by than a mere video game....you aught to think about your priorities a bit...

Its funny how you blatantly insult me saying FFXIV is my life priority.
Do you know me?
Kinda curious if you know what I do irl and what my life poriorities are.

[Miste]

Its funny how you blatantly insult me saying FFXIV is my life priority.

Wasn't blatant, it was honest. You said it truly disgusts you did you not? I responded that you should not be disgusted by such a trivial thing in life. If you take it as an insult that is your own business. Or it is possible you chose the wrong word. Connotation is important.

Also if you wanna play this who insulted who game, you basically called all casual players bad and that they just want to leech wins with no effort and it disgusts you that they may need nerfs to help them pass older content or catch up. Sounds kinda mean right?

Like I said, you are worried too much about other players progression if you feel disgusted by nerfs. Just worry about your own enjoyment and have fun playing.

[Yona87]

Wasn't blatant, it was honest. You said it truly disgusts you did you not? I responded that you should not be disgusted by such a trivial thing in life. If you take it as an insult that is your own business. Or it is possible you chose the wrong word. Connotation is important.

Also if you wanna play this who insulted who game, you basically called all casual players bad and that they just want to leech wins with no effort and it disgusts you that they may need nerfs to help them pass older content or catch up. Sounds kinda mean right?

Like I said, you are worried too much about other players progression if you feel disgusted by nerfs. Just worry about your own enjoyment and have fun playing.

Its just not about catering casuals, I believe SE has given too much to the "I want it now" group of individuals.
I don't think making the game easier is necessarily healthy in a long-term.
If there is something you cannot reach due to lack of skill or lack of gear, doesn't that give you incentive to strive to be better and work harder for your gear?
What is wrong with having those kind of barriers?
For me, if there is something I cannot clear or achieve in a video game, it is actually more motivating for me.

[RyuDragnier]

Its just not about catering casuals, I believe SE has given too much to the "I want it now" group of individuals.
I don't think making the game easier is necessarily healthy in a long-term.

If WoW's subscriptions are anything to go by during certain expansions, it's not.

[Nalien]

If WoW's subscriptions are anything to go by during certain expansions, it's not.

Funniest thing about that is that we could probably assume that there are a fairly large group of "hardcore" players out there looking for a new home (didn't WoW recently lose over 2m subs?). Certainly isn't going to be here at this rate.

[Lamentations]

Its just not about catering casuals, I believe SE has given too much to the "I want it now" group of individuals.
I don't think making the game easier is necessarily healthy in a long-term.

The profits other games have made with the same approach trumps your aversion to giving it to players now.

I don't like it either, but money talks, and BS walks.

What players are willing to "pay" for is what counts, not what they always like.

And the reference to the hardcore population (not you) looking for a new home?, well the large portion of that hardcore crowd is dwarfed by casual numbers who want it easy and or now, I thought this was pretty much universally known these days.