Thread: Any idea what is in patch 2.57?

Originally Posted by SevarrienBladeson

I see. Either way, connected or not, to add Echo to Steps would be a foolish thing to do. It is the most powerful boss to that point of the storyline and it takes away the thrill of doing the fight without any aid by any buffs aside from skills and thus the thrill of a legit boss fight that isn't a Primal lol.

While you probably wounldn't get people wanting to do so in DF, you can turn off the echo buff if you wish. I think its just a simple right click like with other buffs.

Originally Posted by SevarrienBladeson

ALSO:

Remember that the Blessing of Light was stripped after the fight with Midgardsormr. No blessing, no Echo in the story from that point on.

Why do people still spout this nonsense? Blessing of Light is NOT the Echo. The two are very separate and the WoL still has the echo. The usefulness of the Blessing of Light could even be questioned other than being useless Minfilias shield against Ascians (whyever the WoL provided that passively).

Originally Posted by RiceisNice

I'm not saying it doesn't belong in main scenario, I'm trying to say that they'd pick a hell of a time to decide to implement something with a curve like that at the end of main scenario. I mean honestly, if all of the main scenario fights were with scaling difficulty (even when they were current content and you were only in Ilvl90...because fights like levi HM are anything but difficult), I'd have a harder time defending a nerf to improve clear rates for SoF.

I agree entirely, however 14 doesn't teach scaling difficulty involving the leveling process, nor does it openly encourage social teamwork before content forces it, after new players have arguably been conditioned to go it alone, and then it's debatable outside of memorizing you-tube videos.

And if you don't your quickly labeled as wasting everyone's time, but hey that's another topic, and a dead horse.

Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

This. I just did my first-ever run of it via DF, and we one-shot it. Why? Because the group communicated with each other on what needed to be done and when. A few things went wrong, but we were able to deal with them thanks to communication.

That's it. That's all that trial needs: people working together.

The 8 times my groups abandoned were in DF. That 9th time though, I had done every gimmick I could think of to get a party organized lol (ranging from "Free dragon rides" to "Join for an opportunity to be like Shiva and get ravaged by dragons" and many things in between), but I got in a party with 2 PLD (me being the weakest PLD, 1 WM, 2 DRG, 1 BRD, and 1 BLM. I cried when we won lol.

Originally Posted by desufin

Why do people still spout this nonsense? Blessing of Light is NOT the Echo. The two are very separate and the WoL still has the echo. The usefulness of the Blessing of Light could even be questioned other than being useless Minfilias shield against Ascians (whyever the WoL provided that passively).

Simple. I didn't know and thought the 2 were connected. Now I know, and thanks for clarifying.

Good Example of Blessing of Light is the battle against Ultima Weapon and Lahabrea.

Originally Posted by SevarrienBladeson

The 8 times my groups abandoned were in DF. That 9th time though, I had done every gimmick I could think of to get a party organized lol (ranging from "Free dragon rides" to "Join for an opportunity to be like Shiva and get ravaged by dragons" and many things in between), but I got in a party with 2 PLD (me being the weakest PLD, 1 WM, 2 DRG, 1 BRD, and 1 BLM. I cried when we won lol.

Did you try yelling in ALL CAPS? Smoothest run I was ever in had someone doing that (joined in for the fun of it myself). Maybe on the next difficult thing that can be tried?

Originally Posted by Dualblade

Did you try yelling in ALL CAPS? Smoothest run I was ever in had someone doing that (joined in for the fun of it myself). Maybe on the next difficult thing that can be tried?

Nope, I did all caps because that was the way I had seen it done. Sorry if you don't like it. But yeah, I hope the next ones go smoother.

Supposedly in the Japanese version of that event Midgar is more clear in that he didn't strip you of the blessing, but sealed it cause it was a drain on Hydaelyn's lifeforce. The blessing was going to fail anyway because of her state, he replaced it with his own for this reason.

The English version is just more ambiguous for whatever reason.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ersus_english/