Is there some unspoken rule to not use Esuna/Leech?

[Bebekurenai]

I'd say this refers to the "new" generation of healers, they have to be told to use dispel, they don't do it by reflex. Also they rather be spamming stone2 than dispelling slow from an actual dps cause they are the whm or sch OP dps.

I'll also add, some first judge if it really is necessary to dispel something, like pacification, which only lasts 5 seconds, or of it really affects the path of the battle.

I never waited to be told to remove something. Normally if I see a new icon I try to dispel it, I learned that way petri could not be dispelled, same as Melt's paralyze just to name some. I get mad when I enter ST and at Amon healers just stand around while ppl are dying of thunder dot or bomb. I tell them in party that these debuffs can and should be dispelled and they go "oh I didn't know" or "meh the bomb only lasts a few seconds" /wristshake. Or in WoD when they rather be spamming cure than dispelling thunder/poison on Cerberus.

I've seen excuses for not using esuna/leeches, and I'm sure you will get many in this thread. I personally can't understand any of them, whatever the reason, there is no excuse to not dispel. Unless of course as you mentioned, someone is dying. Even on speed pulls when the tank gets paralyzed or poisoned, I can sneak in an esuna, many healers wont and will say it's not worth it.

I'd rather have a healer that stoneskins, esunas, and puts the party's health first, than the one that starts in cleric stance and doesn't give a damn about debuffs as long as he/she is not directly affected by them, since he/she is the great dps contributer to the party.

Oh and yes I totally agree!!! This damned berserk macro!!! I also try to make a point by NOT dispelling the debuff, see if the tank gets it. We really really don't have to be told! And if we do, hehe then you got the guy that doesn't give a damn anyways and won't do it.

[Seryl199]

I'll always get rid of a slow or paralyze effect, they typically have the most impact on the party's performance. I'll judge case by case if a poison spell is worth dispelling or if I should just heal through it. And I'll always dispel the misery debuff seen in Lost City of Amdapor, by standing next to them and using /comfort, because I think it's a cute mechanic. Sounds like you just see many unaware or lazy healers.

[Bebekurenai]

As long as the enemies are dying and the party is not, what's the difference?

Exactly the mindset we are trying to fight here.

Why bother playing the job right if you can just skip and get the commendation anyways?

[Lilyarel]

As long as the enemies are dying and the party is not, what's the difference?

I explained it my original post.... A Paralysis can screw over casters by constantly interrupting their spells and lead to death by being stunned in an AOE. A slow is self explanatory. Removing these debuffs help the DPS and everyone else do their jobs faster. Theres no reason to not purge them.

[Varicose]

I guess as long as the enemies are dying and the party is not, what's the difference?

[Lillia]

I'm a Bard right now but I started as a Conjurer and it was my first 50. I am speaking for myself on this manner, sometimes I don't notice when a DPS has a stat debuff on them right away or multiple people are getting the debuffs repeatedly then I have to pick and choose who to take the debuff off of first. Not that it's an excuse cause I personally do least try when I am on healer.

Though whatever situation you're addressing specifically could just be with a healer who doesn't care about dps as long as the dgn gets cleared eventually.

I sometimes forget to remove pacification on WARs.

^ This is a situation i have at times as well. :x

[Asierid]

As long as the enemies are dying and the party is not, what's the difference?

Why even fight the enemies? Let's just let them live in peace and sit around town instead, it's easier that way.

[Airget]

Eh, Esuna Debuff are only worthwhile in three situation mainly and maybe 4.

Paralyze=always want to try and remove this however not all paralyzes are created equal so you don't always have to waste your time removing that.

Slow=Mainly want to eliminate asap since it really does hinder with dmg

Poisons=depends on severity of poisons and how many targets, if the whole party is hit by a 20 second poisons that does 500 dmg overtime or even 1k, it's just easier to use Succor to absorb the dmg rather than waste the MP removing it from targets.

Bind=situational with mages not so bad, melee yes you want to remove it but overall it's a 50/50 use

Overall what really kills the esuna/leech aspect is inability to choose what you can remove, see the problem you run into then is 3 party members have 4 debuffs each, all of which can be removed and last 20-30 seconds. So if you were to remove all the debuff that's about 30 seconds and it is littled things like that that just don't make the spells as effect as they could be.

But of course there are "speciality debuffs" which should always be removed like Titan's debuff that occurs when a person escapes the rock prison.

[Rendecrow]

I've never healed in this game, but if it is anything like WoW healing then I know the issue.

As a healer in WoW I would often be to focused on healing mistakes by dps (standing in fire), raising the dead, and trying to avoid mechanics while not looking at the battle. Seriously as a healer you are constantly looking at peoples health bars instead of the ground under your feet and it can be hard to avoid stuff as a result. While dispelling is important, unless you have an instant kill debuff on you, dispelling your 5% reduced stats or slow effect is at the bottom of my priority list.

[Lillia]

Why even fight the enemies? Let's just let them live in peace and sit around town instead, it's easier that way.

There are actually people who don't care about DPS rating though and just want the dungeon clears... I am also actually at fault of being a little more casual and non-caring when I play in a norm dgn that I know will be cleared eventually as opposed to if I am raiding...

This doesn't mean I'll just leave a debuff on if I can esuna it but I def get a bit more "ehhhh" in runs that bore me a little .-.

Edit:

I've never healed in this game, but if it is anything like WoW healing then I know the issue.

As a healer in WoW I would often be to focused on healing mistakes by dps (standing in fire), raising the dead, and trying to avoid mechanics while not looking at the battle. Seriously as a healer you are constantly looking at peoples health bars instead of the ground under your feet and it can be hard to avoid stuff as a result. While dispelling is important, unless you have an instant kill debuff on you, dispelling your 5% reduced stats or slow effect is at the bottom of my priority list.

Then you also have the healer woes of cleansing those who may get hit by a mech that actually causes these debuffs like.... 20x.. >.<